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Daily Reich leading with op ed from Starmer. The weakest and most vulnerable again being targeted as he hopes to win some support.
 
Dear God, is that really your level of understanding of farming, Lords and Ladies, titled gentry. Now in here, everyone and his dog agrees that the super rich should be taxed and certainly I’ve mentioned this many times. However this tax will hit all the wrong people, those who own and directly farm, as their families did before, and who own farms with acreage adding up to a few hundred acres. Reeves and co have got this completely wrong in terms of numbers affected and the destruction that will follow. Most farms will fall into this tax trap. If it was set at say £20-25million and above it would catch the very people you are concerned about, but they have completely screwed this up. Just ask yourself this, were the farmers demonstrating in Wales, London etc Lords and Ladies, Titled gentry or the super rich?. It’s hitting the wrong people and is another botch job……
I'll be potentially controversial and I think Pete has a point here.

There's definitely a problem with very wealthy individuals exploiting this tax loophole.

But, it does mean some individuals will get fisted. The owners of traditional smaller family owned farms.

This article does suggest these might be the minority mind...


To add confusion, an older GOVT analysis reckons 54% of agricultural land is owner occupied. This doesn't seem well defined though.

Edit: trying to find a working link to the latter as it us a pdf. Bear with.

Further edit: Aha!

 
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I'll be potentially controversial and I think Pete has a point here.

There's definitely a problem with very wealthy individuals exploiting this tax loophole.

But, it does mean some individuals will get fisted. The owners of traditional smaller family owned farms.

This article does suggest these might be the minority mind...


To add confusion, an older GOVT analysis reckons 54% of agricultural land is owner occupied. This doesn't seem well defined though.

So just talking personally I’ve repeatedly said I’m open to being persuaded that farming is a special case but unlike your well written post the majority of the arguments from the farming side have been basically “it’s not fair “ or Clarkson saying how they’re being penalised .

I’ll need to see more but I’ll take some convincing £25m is a suitable cut off point .
 
So just talking personally I’ve repeatedly said I’m open to being persuaded that farming is a special case but unlike your well written post the majority of the arguments from the farming side have been basically “it’s not fair “ or Clarkson saying how they’re being penalised .

I’ll need to see more but I’ll take some convincing £25m is a suitable cut off point .

There has been some really good discussion on this on various Radio 4 programmes the last couple of weeks.

It truly is a complex area.
 
I'll be potentially controversial and I think Pete has a point here.

There's definitely a problem with very wealthy individuals exploiting this tax loophole.

But, it does mean some individuals will get fisted. The owners of traditional smaller family owned farms.

This article does suggest these might be the minority mind...


To add confusion, an older GOVT analysis reckons 54% of agricultural land is owner occupied. This doesn't seem well defined though.



No difference if I had unknown aunt who left me her 6 bedroom London Victoriana town house in her will. I would be stung for tax, poor little me, going cry and whinging about my hard work gone too nothing...
You either belive in tax system for everyone or you don't.
 
So just talking personally I’ve repeatedly said I’m open to being persuaded that farming is a special case but unlike your well written post the majority of the arguments from the farming side have been basically “it’s not fair “ or Clarkson saying how they’re being penalised .

I’ll need to see more but I’ll take some convincing £25m is a suitable cut off point .
Irony is had we will still been in EU the view and voice on small farming in UK would be much louder, and stronger as many countries inside the EU have small farming protected by their own laws. However, we have our own sovereignty now which will suffice.
 
Please explain how it has been made complicated.
Here we go "forum sophist" going in for the likes. Zzzz!

Is the UK tax system complicated, anyone?

Actually don't care much at all about farming in the context of inheritance tax as i can't see why a farmer's kids are somehow more deserving than any descendant of my family line or anyone's for that matter - who won't be able to take up farming with what is left when I've croaked.
 
Here we go "forum sophist" going in for the likes. Is the UK tax system complicated, anyone?
Actually don't care much at all about farming in the context of inheritance tax as i can't see why a farmer's kids are somehow more deserving than any descendant of my family line or anyone's for that matter - who won't be able to take up farming with what is left when I've croaked.

Hello mate, you're not making any sense. As per.

I did ask you to stop responding to my posts politely. But you haven't. So you are going on ignore.
 
Anyone found it? Closest I can see is this one, probably not on the verge of bringing down the government:

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Pretty sure that's just Dave and the other 28 members of the local Collective.

I see 'Call a general election' is trending on Twitter.

Some right bright spark has created a parliamentary petition - and at least one Tory peer has shared it.

GB News have jumped on this story. Over 1000 fb comments, all saying "It's going up by 1000 signatures a minuite.

When you're upsetting the right this much, it's another indication Labour are on the correct path.

It's going to be a very very very long 5 years for some. :)
 
I see 'Call a general election' is trending on Twitter.

Some right bright spark has created a parliamentary petition - and at least one Tory peer has shared it.

GB News have jumped on this story. Over 1000 fb comments, all saying "It's going up by 1000 signatures a minuite.

When you're upsetting the right this much, it's another indication Labour are on the correct path.

It's going to be a very very very long 5 years for some. :)
You do know the majority of musks followers and a huge portion of the users on there are bots don’t you?
 
I see 'Call a general election' is trending on Twitter.

Some right bright spark has created a parliamentary petition - and at least one Tory peer has shared it.

GB News have jumped on this story. Over 1000 fb comments, all saying "It's going up by 1000 signatures a minuite.

When you're upsetting the right this much, it's another indication Labour are on the correct path.

It's going to be a very very very long 5 years for some. :)

Why did they link to change.org if it's a parliamentary petition? Weirdos.

Anyway that's fantastic, let them all get distracted and excited by irrelevant nonsense. Nearly 20 million people voted against Labour in July when it counted so half a million less than 6 months later shouldn't really surprise anyone, they should schedule the debate and just have Big Keir blow a 5 minute raspberry directly to camera.

In other news I see one of Dave's favourite cabinet members to have a pop at, Liz Kendall, has said some stuff he won't agree with today. No doubt that'll be our theme for the rest of the day.
 
Please explain how it has been made complicated.
Since 2009 the UK tax code has exceed that of India and, at 11,520 pages, become the longest in the world. No lay person can ever fully understand tax law.

Farms and landownership is tax loop hole. Encouraging land banking. Driving up prices of land across the country. Making affordable homes impossible.

There is a lot of talk about the value of agriculture machinery, however I wonder if this can be pulled out of the valuation. From my understanding “moving parts” and perishable good are excluded from inheritance tax… see classic car and watches and vintage wine also being a tax loop hole.
 
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