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I don't think Dave takes me seriously here.

There is absolutely no way humanity survives within our existing socio-economic orthodoxes: capitalism, socialism, communism or whatever.

Not Starmer or Corbyn led Labour, nor any version of the Liberals, Conservatives, or even the 'Green' Party saves this planet or humanity.

So you can quibble over minor differences, in the grand scheme, of emphasis, but it all leads down the same path.

So, revolution comrades?
 
The trident and Aukus deals will see the 'special relationship' continue, greased with billions of pounds sterling and the projection of power that allows.

Thankfully our military ties and equipment development programmes are above the likes of Starmer and Co, but it’s good to see you come around to understand the benefits of military sales……
 
Thankfully our military ties and equipment development programmes are above the likes of Starmer and Co, but it’s good to see you come around to understand the benefits of military sales……
trident is the us nuclear arsenal, we loan the rights to it from them, and the aukus deal is uk subs with us nukes loaned to australia. There's very little money coming the way of the uk in this. But you knew that.
 
I don't think Dave takes me seriously here.

There is absolutely no way humanity survives within our existing socio-economic orthodoxes: capitalism, socialism, communism or whatever.

Not Starmer or Corbyn led Labour, nor any version of the Liberals, Conservatives, or even the 'Green' Party saves this planet or humanity.

So you can quibble over minor differences, in the grand scheme, of emphasis, but it all leads down the same path.

So, revolution comrades?
...just me?

Lol.
 
I do. Having paid in for 50+ years and continuing to pay 40% via the taxation on my real pensions, I do. You and Bruce certainly don’t contribute to any of my income. In addition, I pay the wages of seven staff from a pub that I own and from which I take no payment, in spite of the money and the work I have put in. So if you want to trade arguments about contributions to the nation and employees, you are arguing with the wrong person. So between the two of you, how much or how many years have you and Bruce put in. Don’t be shy, just put the numbers up or maybe keep quiet…….

Your pension benefit is paid for by the taxes of working people Pete. That's the core point here.

And politely, what are you going to do if I'm not going to "keep quiet"? I'll post accurate information whenever I like thanks, and there's not a thing you will do to stop that. No offence meant.
 
Your pension benefit is paid for by the taxes of working people Pete. That's the core point here.

And politely, what are you going to do if I'm not going to "keep quiet"? I'll post accurate information whenever I like thanks, and there's not a thing you will do to stop that. No offence meant.
I think, trying to interpret @peteblue's post, is that he has two private pension funds which attract a 40% tax rate.

Thus, whilst you are correct his state pension will be funded via general taxation, his rejoinder appears to be "I'm still paying significant tax plus my business pays tax as do my employees".

Just call Pete our Taxloss Lover from Liverpool...

 
If someone care to elaborate, whats your general view of Labour rules so far?
Episode 332 of Rest is Politics podcast is worth a listen.

Essentially, left of Blair and right of Corbyn.

In essence here, it's a new form of corporate libertarian capatislm and on the other hand its plain old communist economics depending on the hyperbole read. ;)
 
Fears Labour's proposed reforms to the Mental Health Act (MHA) will do more harm than good.

I agree that detaining people in mental health crisis in police cells is inhumane and harmful to a point and many cases it will. Still some people in crisis can be very violent and dangerous.

Indeed enabling people detained under the MHA to assert greater control over the forms of care they receive is incredibly naive and, indeed, dangerous to all.

If we're talking which there is no indication they are not about people who are highly delusional, and who are experiencing psychosis, being able to object more easily to the loss of rights that detention imposes, while limiting the authority of psychiatric professionals to insist on detention where substantial risk is present, then amendment to the MHA only heightens the possibility of tragic outcomes.

Fundamentally, detention under the MHA becomes necessary when there's an identified threat to life. Limiting powers of detention under those circumstances will simply result in the ejection of dangerously unwell patients back to community settings unmonitored...

It's important to balance risks and disabled people's rights. All the same, I'm sorry, but on mental illness this government really has no comprehension of what it's doing.
 
I think, trying to interpret @peteblue's post, is that he has two private pension funds which attract a 40% tax rate.

Thus, whilst you are correct his state pension will be funded via general taxation, his rejoinder appears to be "I'm still paying significant tax plus my business pays tax as do my employees".

Just call Pete our Taxloss Lover from Liverpool...



I mean, that's probably true. There are lots of things he may/is doing, I was just pointing out what Bruce meant was that he (and other taxpayers) effectively pay the state pension.
 
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