someone has previous for condemning burger flippers.
oh how times change.
oh how times change.
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StDomingosGringo
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When you use numbers it always goes badly Pete. Especially when you argue all pensioners are unique one minute but think the same the next.
I’ll be personally polling a tiny sample size of life long Labour voting pensioners when they get back off their cruise this week & get back to you.
See above. This is from the BBC article.
“It is true that some aspects of spending have come as a surprise.
According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) - an independent think tank - Ms Reeves was right to say that nearly all the estimated £6.4bn cost of supporting the asylum system was unfunded, for example.”
No one is arguing Labour were completely unaware the Tories were incompetent & some of the figures were known. It’s just about uncovering how unsustainable it all really was now.
If Pete & Dave are to believed, most of the supposed alienated 10 million pensioners will be dead this winter anyway…
My wider point is, this huge swathe of the population stayed silent when the universal welfare state was being dismantled and others feeing it. Now they're up in arms. Indeed actively voted for it to be shrunk and others pinched.
It is kind of hard to feel sympathy. Now the likes of you are playing the bad socialist card.
Which is frankly why Britain is a mess. It's all me me me. Us us us.
I think his point is why should pensioners be exempt from the ame standards the rest of us are mate?
And clearly Keir Starmer is not in any way a socialist. That is very obvious, and was very obvious long before he wanted to means test a benefit for pensioners.
davek
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Because pensioners are more vulnerable and open to many more dangers in terms of health and instability.
The universal dimension has always been crucial in terms of benefits to pensioners as a universal payment to all pensioners ensures no one in that highly vulnerable group falls through the gaps into poverty. Taking away the universality of pension payments will guarantee that the some of the vulnerable are hit badly.
It's the mark of a civilised society that the able take care of those who aren't able - and a universal approach - not a targeted approach - is the only mechanism of delivery that continues that. If we ditch that we undermine our civilisation.
It's just about as simple as that ^^^ and if people dont get that then they really are 'kin stupid or just plain scum.
davek
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Starmer’s £100,000 in tickets and gifts more than any other recent party leader
Prime minister has come under fire recently for clothing, accommodation and glasses provided by Waheed Alli
Keir Starmer has declared more free tickets and gifts than other major party leaders in recent times, with his total now topping £100,000 after recent support for his lifestyle from Labour donor Waheed Alli.
The prime minister has accepted almost 40 sets of free tickets during his time as Labour leader, mostly to football matches but also £4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets in Manchester.
£8M this feller has in his bank account. And while he's claiming his £100,000 freebies he's putting millions of pensioners into fuel poverty.
People who voted and even lauded the Tories throughout the cuts to welfare and public spending would do well to keep quiet regarding any cuts this Labour Party makes to WFA.
They’re using it as a stick to beat Labour whilst pretending to actually care about those less well off all of a sudden.
They clearly couldn’t care less.
Indeed. To be clear, I'm not too happy with the implementation of this payment reduction. It is clumsy and ham fisted.
But there's a lot of moral positioning that was extremely absent when others were getting hit.
Labour have been extremely stupid here, going back to the implementation part, I think they'll end up ceding ground to the right on this. There's loads now chuntering Farage territory rhetoric over this online, that I've never seen previously.
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larrygobfiend
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This is a gross simplification Dave. There are some very wealthy and prosperous pensioners with significant assets in no need of an extra £300.
Usually the ones who are crying loudest about this, actually. And voted Tory. A lot.
Dave = defender of blue rinse Tories. Funny world.
davek
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Yes. Now go and look up the word universal.
You're defending placing hundreds of thousands of pensioners being placed at risk of poor health and possibly death.
Keep on enjoying the socialism though.
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Enjoy the blue-rinse toryism.
Yes Dave, thing is, we aren't and never were a socialist country. Barely a social democratic one. Personally I find it hard to defend universalism for those to benefit from when they've debrief benefits for anyone else. Particularly when its crocodile tears. if we're having a selective and means tested welfare state, I guess that element should apply universally.
Enjoy the blue-rinse toryism.
Sean Ashley
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Having net a net worth of 8 mil and having 8 mil in the bank are completely two different things.Starmer’s £100,000 in tickets and gifts more than any other recent party leader
Prime minister has come under fire recently for clothing, accommodation and glasses provided by Waheed Alliwww.theguardian.com
Keir Starmer has declared more free tickets and gifts than other major party leaders in recent times, with his total now topping £100,000 after recent support for his lifestyle from Labour donor Waheed Alli.
The prime minister has accepted almost 40 sets of free tickets during his time as Labour leader, mostly to football matches but also £4,000 of hospitality at a Taylor Swift concert and £698 of Coldplay tickets in Manchester.
£8M this feller has in his bank account. And while he's claiming his £100,000 freebies he's putting millions of pensioners into fuel poverty.
Sean Ashley
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Also when did the wealth of an PM become an issue? Do you ever expect a PM to have the standard living of an average citizen. They would never get elected.
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