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[abelard]

That would be when Corbyn was doing his no confidence vote and a few on here (yourself included) got a bit over excited and thought the DUP would flip and Daddy would get to sit in the big seat.

Um... is that all?

I’d still love to see where the pro-Corbyn faction here have called the DUP/ERG heroes.

 

[zzr45]

Um... is that all?

I’d still love to see where the pro-Corbyn faction here have called the DUP/ERG heroes.

Oh sorry were you not getting any attention?

Who’s a clever boy?

Not you pal.

 

[orchard]

Oh sorry were you not getting any attention?

Who’s a clever boy?

Not you pal.

Your anger and chips are really misting up your perspective bud.

 

[abelard]

Oh sorry were you not getting any attention?

Who’s a clever boy?

Not you pal.

Bed.

 

[zzr45]

Your anger and chips are really misting up your perspective bud.

No anger, no chips. As I’ve said before, it’s the hypocrisy on here that needs calling out. Normally when the likes of the DUP are mentioned there's much spitting on the floor and muttered voices. When it was reported that Corbyn was flashing a bit of leg to them in hopes of them getting in on the no confidence vote, that didn't exactly seem to matter. Principles, it seems, don't exactly matter as long as Corbyn gets in.

It was the same point that Bruce was making, there's absolute flip flopping on here whether Corbyn is bequest to the PLP or is 'acting as a leader' depending on whether something good or bad is happening.

There's a lot of 'Fake News' shouts as well - the media are the sworn enemies of Corbyn, until they say something positive, or something bad about the government.

I get that political attitudes can change - after voting Conservative since the age of 18 I really would struggle to vote the same in an election tomorrow, but some of the narrative led opinion changes in here are too much.

And that's even get to the pseudo intellectual a*ses that think their political stances put them above other people..

 

[dwightschrute]

No anger, no chips. As I’ve said before, it’s the hypocrisy on here that needs calling out. Normally when the likes of the DUP are mentioned there's much spitting on the floor and muttered voices. When it was reported that Corbyn was flashing a bit of leg to them in hopes of them getting in on the no confidence vote, that didn't exactly seem to matter. Principles, it seems, don't exactly matter as long as Corbyn gets in.

Guess what, you can hate the DUP before, during and after the process as they are being used for a bigger picture

In the same way if we were hypothetically top of the league and needed Liverpool to beat 2nd place in a game, I'd want that to happen yet still hate them, its not hard

 

[magicjuan]

No anger, no chips. As I’ve said before, it’s the hypocrisy on here that needs calling out. Normally when the likes of the DUP are mentioned there's much spitting on the floor and muttered voices. When it was reported that Corbyn was flashing a bit of leg to them in hopes of them getting in on the no confidence vote, that didn't exactly seem to matter. Principles, it seems, don't exactly matter as long as Corbyn gets in.

It was the same point that Bruce was making, there's absolute flip flopping on here whether Corbyn is bequest to the PLP or is 'acting as a leader' depending on whether something good or bad is happening.

There's a lot of 'Fake News' shouts as well - the media are the sworn enemies of Corbyn, until they say something positive, or something bad about the government.

I get that political attitudes can change - after voting Conservative since the age of 18 I really would struggle to vote the same in an election tomorrow, but some of the narrative led opinion changes in here are too much.

And that's even get to the pseudo intellectual a*ses that think their political stances put them above other people..

Struggling to think of Corbyn being portrayed as positive by the media, as opposed to the love in saved for the likes of Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al.
As for your last statement, irony much?

 

[zzr45]

Struggling to think of Corbyn being portrayed as positive by the media, as opposed to the love in saved for the likes of Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al.
As for your last statement, irony much?

Love in? Christ the level to which the latter three have been mocked in the media hardly suggests it’s a love in. Yes the three have inordinate amounts of time on TV, but that’s because of the sheer reaction they get. Sadly we’re in a media world governed by likes and follows and those three generate content like no other. 20 years ago you’d hear nothing from them. Corbyn gets good runs out if you look for them, as do McDonnell and the rest of Labour, the difference being that they rarely say anything that can be viralised.

I don’t think my political views make me better than others. I find that people that start using words like neo-liberalism and disaster capitalism tend to class themselves as better people for reading political literature though.

 

[magicjuan]

Love in? Christ the level to which the latter three have been mocked in the media hardly suggests it’s a love in. Yes the three have inordinate amounts of time on TV, but that’s because of the sheer reaction they get. Sadly we’re in a media world governed by likes and follows and those three generate content like no other. 20 years ago you’d hear nothing from them. Corbyn gets good runs out if you look for them, as do McDonnell and the rest of Labour, the difference being that they rarely say anything that can be viralised.

I don’t think my political views make me better than others. I find that people that start using words like neo-liberalism and disaster capitalism tend to class themselves as better people for reading political literature though.

Again, irony to a fine art. Well done you

 

[tsubaki]

That would be when Corbyn was doing his no confidence vote and a few on here (yourself included) got a bit over excited and thought the DUP would flip and Daddy would get to sit in the big seat.

er - that was a hope that they wouldn't prop up the Government, not that they were heroes

 

[davek]

These Labour MPs threatening to quit...just 'kin do it then you spineless free-marketeer, Tory-lite slugs.

 

[Number_25]

Oh sorry were you not getting any attention?

Who’s a clever boy?

Not you pal.

You ok mate?

 

[tsubaki]

I see Michael Dugher* has quit the party, and has chosen to reveal all in an exclusive article in tomorrow's Rag on Sunday.

* who quit Parliament in 2017, only to see his replacement get - at very short notice - more votes and a bigger margin of victory than he ever achieved

 

[tsubaki]

More on Dugher (edited slightly to remove a S*n link):

A strange phenomenon occurred in the early days of Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership which has never been spoken about.


Virtually overnight a dramatic shift took place in the narrative of the mainstream press, which in 2015 went from portraying frontbench Labour MPs as a bunch of mediocre losers who had handed David Cameron’s unpopular Conservatives a majority to lauding them as political masterminds.


As soon as Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership contest Labour MPs who the press had in the months prior described as complete no-hopers were suddenly strategic brains he couldn’t possibly do without.


One MP benefited from this sudden tonal reorientation more than any other. Step forward Michael Dugher.


Fresh from serving in Ed Miliband’s shadow cabinet, which lost an election despite being huge favourites, Dugher’s political nous soon saw him in the driving seat of Andy Burnham’s leadership campaign, which also started out that contest as favourites only to get whopped by a 200-1 outsider.


In normal times the pace with which Dugher chalked up losses might have seen him labelled a failure, or mocked and denigrated by a ruthless press. But these were no normal times. A socialist was now leading the Labour party, and in true Manichean spirit any enemy of socialism was a true friend to the right-wing tabloids.


Out of this new relationship between Dugher and the press lobby blossomed deferential coverage alongside running criticisms of shadow cabinet meetings. Eventually Corbyn decided the constant undermining wasn’t to the party’s benefit, so Dugher was sacked.


This sequence of events birthed the most iconic off-the-record briefing of the Corbyn era. “You start a war with Dugher,” tweeted then Sun political editor Harry Cole, with a picture of a text direct from a Labour source, “and there’s only going to be one winner, and that’s Michael… Corbyn has made a huge error today.”


If Dugher was convinced of his own invincibility then, it should come as no surprise. For the first time in his political career he appeared immune from press criticism: the thorn in the side of the Corbyn leadership, the “straight talking” bloke who was going to bring the whole thing down.


There was no way the press could now ridicule Dugher without tacitly implying Corbyn was sensible to sack him. It was Dugher vs Corbyn, a two-horse race, and the media were stuck with the donkey.


Unfortunately, as Arsene Wenger once said, “when you give success to stupid people, it makes them more stupid.” Dugher responded to his newfound political impregnability by becoming the party’s brave dissident voice on Twitter. “Stop criticising Corbyn’s slow response,” he would say, “it takes time for Seamas [sic] to draft a statement by the Kremlin, Stop the War and the Morning Star.” It was political comedy club and the media were the only audience.


In early 2017 Michael Dugher’s sarcastic wit reached its high point. Labour’s poor poll numbers were a “remarkable achievement,” he told the New Statesman. “We’ve gone backwards among every demographic, every region of the country… Hats off to Jeremy and Seumas, Diane and John. That’s pretty special.”


In another example of his renowned political acumen, Dugher then became one of the high-profile MPs to step down before the 2017 general election, with an implied prediction of a bloodbath awaiting the party. Labour, he said, was no longer “in touch with working class people” – each of whom had been reading his tweets and finding themselves in agreement.


Unfortunately, without Dugher’s regular interventions to guide them, they lost their way and ended up voting for Corbyn and Labour just two months later. No longer able to serve the people of Barnsley by relaying sarky observations to right-wing newspapers, Dugher instead devoted himself to criticising my campaign against Fixed Odds Betting Terminals.


Dubbing a reformed gambling addict “Roulette Boy” was the last punchline of Michael Dugher’s one man show. But instead of the warm embrace of Britain’s commentariat, the crowd turned. “Is that appropriate, Michael?” they asked. “[Poor language removed] off!” came the characteristic response from the no-nonsense straight-talker. And just to emphasise the point, he said it again and again and again. The joke hadn’t landed. The audience filtered out. The show was over.


But I will miss Dugher. Not the slurs predicated on my struggle with addiction. Nor the tedious attacks on Corbyn. But the comedy value in the character he portrayed, even going as far as posing for a photo while hanging out the window of a car like Harry Redknapp on transfer deadline day.


Dugher’s love affair with the Labour Party is finished. The swansong is an opinion piece in the Sun on Sunday. We can only mourn the loss of such a “talented” MP and wish him a happy New Year.

 

[Number_25]

Corbyn is an infallible political force in an era of terrible politicians didn’t you know?

Some of the hero worship on display is as cringeworthy as the most die hard Brexit means Brexit argument.

In an ideal world, I'd rather see a working class person run the Labour Party (Angela Rayner, for example) - but I do understand why so many people support Corbyn's leadership. He was one of the few people that stood by the disenfranchised many in society whilst New Labour took on a more tabloid-driven view on things such as asylum seekers and those dependent on the welfare state.