butcher? no one's trusting that lummox with a blade, only butcherin* he'll get near is pat.
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
K9 and the nanny state…
“ Professor Karol Sikora, former chief of the World Health Organisation's cancer programme added: 'Given the cost of enforcing it and the cost to the hospitality industry, in terms of public health gain, is just not worth it.'
He added that previous policies including the 2007 indoor smoking ban had made a 'huge difference' in reducing smoking rates.
However these wouldn't be replicated by a 'nanny state' outdoor ban.
'To not allow smoking in public spaces outside is too far, over-the-top, and impossible to police,' he said.
'And those who have decided they're going to smoke, no matter what, are going to continue anyway.'
He added that a person outdoors would need to stand surrounded by '10 or so smokers' for there to be a substantially increased risk of suffering health consequences from second-hand smoke.
Meanwhile, Dr Lion Shahab, an expert in health psychology and Co-Director, University College London's Tobacco and Alcohol Research Group told MailOnline the chance of getting health issues from second-hand smoke outdoors was 'likely very low'.
He said: 'The intention with this legislation is probably not necessarily to reduce second hand exposure, there will be some small effects, but it's going to be quite low because of wind blowing smoke away.”
“ Professor Karol Sikora, former chief of the World Health Organisation's cancer programme added: 'Given the cost of enforcing it and the cost to the hospitality industry, in terms of public health gain, is just not worth it.'
He added that previous policies including the 2007 indoor smoking ban had made a 'huge difference' in reducing smoking rates.
However these wouldn't be replicated by a 'nanny state' outdoor ban.
'To not allow smoking in public spaces outside is too far, over-the-top, and impossible to police,' he said.
'And those who have decided they're going to smoke, no matter what, are going to continue anyway.'
He added that a person outdoors would need to stand surrounded by '10 or so smokers' for there to be a substantially increased risk of suffering health consequences from second-hand smoke.
Meanwhile, Dr Lion Shahab, an expert in health psychology and Co-Director, University College London's Tobacco and Alcohol Research Group told MailOnline the chance of getting health issues from second-hand smoke outdoors was 'likely very low'.
He said: 'The intention with this legislation is probably not necessarily to reduce second hand exposure, there will be some small effects, but it's going to be quite low because of wind blowing smoke away.”
Any soundbites on truss please pepe?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
She’s just history, K9 is in charge now…
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Ridiculous most of it... Step too for even a non smoker like myself.
Although you've got some kind of idiot to smoke in kiddies play parks.
Indeed alcohol abuse costs the country way more than smoking, kills more and ruins far more lives than smoking.
Yet to hear any government even begin to address this issue. All that's happened in recent years is a fall off in services for people wanting to detox and rehab from alcohol.
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Where were these pearls of Wisdom when it was first proposed by the Tories?
Seems to like Farage, apparently got told off for using a title dishonestly.
Cancer expert Karol Sikora accused over honorary professorship claim
Imperial College seeks legal advice to prevent arch-critic of NHS cancer care from using title associated with the university
Also said a lot of mad stuff about Covid.
Loved by the Telegraph, Mail and Spectator.
He's the medical equivalent of Patrick Minford isn't he?
That's the Sikora who described the NHS as a communist monolith?
I have my concerns about the impact on a struggling hospitality industry but I’ll be honest we heard a lot of horror stories before the smoking ban . Also lt’s never really bothered me but I’ve become conscious of people smoking outside on tables and how much your clothes stink . A lot of smokers seem to have a lot of respect for others and actually step away .
Like I say I have some concerns but to pretend that smoking isn’t an issue feels like delusion . Less than 15% of the population smoke smoke but it costs us £2.5 BILLION a year which is 2% of the total NHS budget , there are 500,000 admissions and 80,000 smoking related deaths a year . Interesting that this seems to have started under the Tory government, if I search Pete will I see your outrage ?
The end of free movement has done more to harm the hospitality industry than any smoking ban. Pete didn't have crocodile tears over that.
Look at what Starmer has caused now, ffs. Poor old Farage has to Martyr himself. Again.
peteblue
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I have never smoked, and it will not affect myself or my family, none of whom smoke. It will not affect our village pub, the customers will undoubtedly ignore it anyway I imagine and we will certainly not be asking our staff to police it. Banning it in pubs and restaurants was a sensible act, favoured by most people, and smoking areas and cover allowed smokers to do what they do as well. Pub garden areas tend to be large affairs and some restaurants have tables outside even in cities and towns.
Who will police this ? The conservatives plan to ban children from smoking or buying cigarettes and then raising the age year on year, was at least sensible in that the trick is to stop the young being hooked in the first place, smoking would eventually die out. But no, they are going to meddle, while not stopping children from taking it up. K9 is an idiot ….
Oh and what’s the betting the government loses money on this….
I mean I imagine like every law affecting a pub it’ll be policed by the landlord , licensee , management or staff . If you don’t enforce the law at yours fair enough
The Torygraph were just as opposed to the original smoking ban as you are now, as indeed were all of the right wing press. Perhaps more pertinently...
Smoking ban sees 40 per cent cut in heart attacks in UK since 2007 law was introduced
Major research suggests that the introduction of a smoking ban has resulted in a significant fall in the number of people suffering from heart attacks as the result of passive smoking
www.telegraph.co.uk
I can’t think of a pub where I live that could enforce this, as most of them only have one member of staff behind the bar and they’re certainly not leaving the bar, to chase smokers away from the pavement outside.
It certainly won’t happen in city centres for the same reason and all the aggro it would cause.
Where I live, every pub turns a blind eye to people vaping as long as they’re not being stupid and in other peoples faces and it doesn’t seem to bother anyone.
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