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How have you been disadvantaged. No bullshit, just how has it affected you……
Well, my freedom of movement and right to live and work in a variety of countries has been vastly constrained. We were considering moving to France or Germany at one point, but it's very difficult for me. The other half can, no bother.

My sector is struggling, in part due to the pool of students available being reduced and kicking off the problems (amongst other things). We also run the risk of falling behind scientifically as it's difficult to attract the best brains from the continent anymore. The Brits aren't always the brightest and best, surprisingly. Unless you want a job as Prof. of Whataboutery?

Food prices have gone up, effects everyone of course, but not great.

More widely we're seeing reductions in public spending and the widespread argument we need growth, all whilst every economic assessment indicates leaving the EU has whacked growth. So it's not about 'me' really Pete.

As for the economic cliff edge, if you hadn't noticed the country is in a right old mess financially to the point we're taking money off dear old selfless pensioners.

Sounds like a healthy robust economy to me, right?

Happy now, Prof. Brexit?
 
I'll also take that as Pete's usual tactic of losing the argument and dodging the point. With a dash of trying make it personal. A tactic he's tried on me in the EU thread around the same discussion point:

And yet still no response as to why the EU is so great…I think silence says it all, but I’ll leave it there…….

Everything positive in my life relates to EU membership mate.

People I've worked with, opportunities I've had, growing up in a relatively peaceful and prosperous country. Jobs and so forth, all directly linked to that particular club. Indeed, many of my friends in different sectors are saying leaving the EU was ridiculous on so many levels.

That's why.

And that’s fine, except that what began as an economic trading bloc, which I voted for, became a political union which I didn’t……

I mean, this is a well trod discussion and clearly a generational thing. You grew up on a different time and prefer that Britain. My equivalent is the EU membership years, which I though were great.

But, going back to my earlier points, you are ignoring the debate about economics effects which was the question at hand. It has, thus far, unequivocally had a negative effect on the UK economically.

Anyway, this is the LABOUR thread. Let's move on.

Has Dave got anything tedious to yell about Starmer?
 
Not quite Pete, over a longer period we've lagged. Italy have absolutely belated us post-pandemic, as have France. Germany are the outlier. Your arguments do not stack up, Peter.
It's the year 2044 and the UK tops the economy charts of Q1 for the first time.

I imagine we'll all be having the same, mad conversations about Brexit working or not, just 20 years older.

Quite funny really.
 
Once again, whatever happened to that economic cliff edge… Anyone, or was it just made up scaremongering…….
Because the government printed about 400 billion Pete. We saddled future generations with huge amounts of debt to avoid the immediate cliff edge you were warned about. At least when we did this after 2008 and Covid there were valid reasons rather than self harm.

 
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