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[peteblue]

Bombing Libya cost £320 million, Pete. We didn't spend that on bombing Syria (the first time).

But how did his vote do anything. It didn’t. My point being he has never achieved anything, Nothing, Zero, Zilch, that actually benefitted our country......

 

[peteblue]

I'm sure many people would love to put the Brexit genie back in the bottle and move on to other stuff, I'm just not sure given that a lot of Brexiters regard May's deal as any kind of Brexit, how the Norway option would fare any better.

It wouldn’t .......

 

[peteblue]

I suspect half of the problem is that Brexit has kinda rendered not only traditional notions of right/left irrelevant, but increasingly the Tories/Labour. Both of the parties that dominate British politics are themselves divided on the issue. Both parties have members and voters who like/dislike Brexit enormously, and it's created the current malaise where the government have tried to leave whilst causing the least damage, and have thus pleased no one, and Labour have sat on the fence for as long as possible in an attempt to upset as few people as possible.

That can't be an ideal situation to approach any topic, let alone one as important as this. The whole mess smacks of needing a shake up of parties in Westminster, but that's an outcome that seems impossible to envisage.

This should not be an issue. Before the vote, a free vote, everyone got to vote Leave/Remain. MP’s then voted to enact article 50. MP’s voted to put Brexit and the incorporation of Eu law into U.K. law. The only division is that the Remain supporters refuse to accept the result and refuse to deliver what they themselves enacted into law........

 

[Methuselah]

This should not be an issue. Before the vote, a free vote, everyone got to vote Leave/Remain. MP’s then voted to enact article 50. MP’s voted to put Brexit and the incorporation of Eu law into U.K. law. The only division is that the Remain supporters refuse to accept the result and refuse to deliver what they themselves enacted into law........

Read something recently, can't remember where, but it struck a chord. It said 'there are hard core Remainers who would rather see the UK fail than Brexit succeed'.

 

[tsubaki]

But how did his vote do anything. It didn’t. My point being he has never achieved anything, Nothing, Zero, Zilch, that actually benefitted our country......

That is because you’ve decided that any achievement you don’t recognise doesn’t count. By that rationale, no one has ever done anything to benefit our country except the Tory Party.

 

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[JimmyJeffers]

That is because you’ve decided that any achievement you don’t recognise doesn’t count. By that rationale, no one has ever done anything to benefit our country except the Tory Party.

The Tory party have achieved rising homelessness, poverty and food bank dependency which is considerably more than that despicable Trot Corbyn. *spit.

 

[TheBigIguana]

**sighs wearily**

There is no evidence whatsoever that Corbyn, at least since the referendum was called, wants out. This is just lazy conjecture from partisan journos and their mindless twitter followers.

What Corbyn himself wants is mostly immaterial. He is following the Party guidelines on Brexit that were established months ago. No more, no less.

What is not immaterial is that a significant minority of Labour voters do want out of the EU. It was reported last week that any moves against Brexit would cost Labour dearly at the polls, and trigger at least a dozen cabinet resignations. As indeed would a decisive move by Labour in favour of Leaving. The Party leadership, just like the Tories, is trying to balance the divide without destroying the party. Whether one agrees or disagrees with this approach, it is dead simple to understand.

Given that they mostly voted Leave in the first place because they felt ignored, Corbyn has decided not to ignore them.

Centrist liberal remainers think the responsible thing to do would be for Corbyn to signal their own virtues by calling for a second referendum, even though they would still never vote for him. This is obviously a stupid and indulgent fantasy on their part, as is the idea that they can somehow roll back the clock to before June 2016 without creating a crisis of political legitimacy even worse than the one we currently have.

If we had a press in this country that did its job, this would all be common knowledge.

But we do not.

read @tsubaki's posts

Thanks mate

 

[magicjuan]

Yes, the Pentagon wanted to weaponise him against the commies. Some say he single-handedly brought down the Berlin Wall.

So show a little more gratitude, you princox! It's only thanks to Joe that there's a Mme. Bruce Wayne

So, by that, joe is the Hoff?

 

[jaycee]

So, by that, joe is the Hoff?

Think hes more huff than Hoff

 

[flibbyflob]

Unless you live in Islington North you are not voting for Corbyn.
Local MPs and the local party matter hugely in gaining votes

If you live in a really safe Tory seat like I do your vote doesn't matter.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

If you live in a really safe Tory seat like I do your vote doesn't matter.

I do too. It’s unfortunate but what can you do. Terrible constituency MP as well and hasn’t a clue. Mind, I vote Labour and the current Labour candidate here is also god awful.

 

[flibbyflob]

I do too. It’s unfortunate but what can you do. Terrible constituency MP as well and hasn’t a clue. Mind, I vote Labour and the current Labour candidate here is also god awful.

I'd say my Tory MP is not the worst of the Tories and certainly better than many in neighbouring areas but the Labour candidate last time was awful.

 

[summerisle]

But how did his vote do anything. It didn’t. My point being he has never achieved anything, Nothing, Zero, Zilch, that actually benefitted our country......

Whereas ......

 

[tsubaki]

Melanie Onn with an early candidate for political statement of the year: