peteblue
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But you do so in the knowledge that he would become PM, so you are voting for that. You can’t pretend that you are voting for an ideal and that Corbyn just happens to be a beneficiary.......
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But you do so in the knowledge that he would become PM, so you are voting for that. You can’t pretend that you are voting for an ideal and that Corbyn just happens to be a beneficiary.......
dead_soft
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It’s not about pretending anything. It’s the behaviour of the electorate. Of course it’s not outside of the general party but local personality and party matters massively.
summerisle
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Define 'good'.
tsubaki
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Because he is the best politician of the past five years (which is admittedly not a golden age for political figures) - he has done things that they all said were impossible / so difficult as to be impossible. 40% for someone who the media actively dislikes, and who large swathes of his own Parliamentary party would happily get rid of, is unprecedented. Increasing the size of a major political party has not happened for twenty years, and hasnt happened on this scale since the great post-war surge of involvement in politics.
Or if you want something you can agree with - look at the latest Private Eye, where they report on why the People's Vote crowd have been so reluctant to pursue the idea that Russian influence affected the Brexit referendum vote:
This might also explain the furore that greeted Corbyn suggesting that actions against oligarchs would be more effective than kicking out a few diplomats happened; he is the only one of the main players who hasn't taken Deripaska's money.
peteblue
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Anything above crap and bad.....
peteblue
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tsubaki
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He has got more people involved in politics, pete - on both pro- and anti-Corbyn sides. He has challenged a status quo in Parliament that was rubbish.
Even Quentin Letts, who is about as far away from a socialist as its possible to be, celebrated the fact that a nominally socialist party was now led by an actual socialist (and bemoaned the fact that the Conservative Party wasn't led by any actual Conservative).
peteblue
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Yes, but what has he actually done to enrich the lives of anyone in the U.K. in fact what has he done in his entire life as an MP to enrich anyone in the U.K......anything.....
tsubaki
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He voted against bombing Assad, Pete.
peteblue
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And that enriched the U.K. how......
tsubaki
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Bombing Libya cost £320 million, Pete. We didn't spend that on bombing Syria (the first time).
Socrates
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It's funny how that increase in wealth is roughly the same as the increase in the national debt in the same period.
Either the government has shown incompetence of the highest order or we've witnessed the biggest heist in UK history.
Correlation doesn't equal causation though, does it? The financial crash was in 2008, so you would have assumed the food banks would be busiest in the immediate aftermath of it, yet there's a 5-year lag before demand sky-rockets. What happened in 2013 to materially alter things?
TheBigIguana
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Can someone explain why Corbyn wants out of the EU? I thought that Brexit was a Tory thing and that Labour was generally against it or at least the people who voted Labour also tend to vote Remain. But the leader of Labour wants to leave. I don't get how that can happen. It feels like if Pelosi was for the wall.
abelard
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**sighs wearily**
There is no evidence whatsoever that Corbyn, at least since the referendum was called, wants out. This is just lazy conjecture from partisan journos and their mindless twitter followers.
What Corbyn himself wants is mostly immaterial. He is following the Party guidelines on Brexit that were established months ago. No more, no less.
What is not immaterial is that a significant minority of Labour voters do want out of the EU. It was reported last week that any moves against Brexit would cost Labour dearly at the polls, and trigger at least a dozen cabinet resignations. As indeed would a decisive move by Labour in favour of Leaving. The Party leadership, just like the Tories, is trying to balance the divide without destroying the party. Whether one agrees or disagrees with this approach, it is dead simple to understand.
Given that they mostly voted Leave in the first place because they felt ignored, Corbyn has decided not to ignore them.
Centrist liberal remainers think the responsible thing to do would be for Corbyn to signal their own virtues by calling for a second referendum, even though they would still never vote for him. This is obviously a stupid and indulgent fantasy on their part, as is the idea that they can somehow roll back the clock to before June 2016 without creating a crisis of political legitimacy even worse than the one we currently have.
If we had a press in this country that did its job, this would all be common knowledge.
But we do not.
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