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I'm at the point where I think Starmer should probably get a go now.

The whole political landscape is such a s**tshow that I find it genuinely difficult to comprehend how it could get much worse either way.
 
Xizor said:
You know who should be repenting right now? The people who abandoned Labour in 2019, whether they directly flipped to the Tories (to "Get Brexit done"), recoiled in horror at Corbyn and gave their votes to the Lib Dems or some other minor party instead, or just decided that they were going to abstain and sit this one out. Combined, along with the Tory core vote, they enabled the Johnson majority and all the chaos that ensued over the following 4.5 years.

I'm not suggesting Corbyn was a superb leader, or would have been an amazing success as PM, but look at what we ended up with instead. I actually suspect if Corbyn had won in 2019 he'd have been replaced by now anyway (certainly if Russia/Ukraine had panned out as it has - his likely stance would have been impossible for a lot of Labour MPs to support).

But I will never, ever "repent" over a vote to shift the party behind the government of the day leftwards. I didn't expect much of Starmer when he took over, and I'm not convinced by him or his team now, but I'll be damned if I'm going to give up the chance to exchange a bloc of MPs in power that include the likes of Rees-Mogg, Francois, Redwood and the rest of those horrors for another bloc that includes politicians whose views range up and down the left of the spectrum, more in line with my own.

To advocate otherwise is a disgrace, given what has happened over the last 5, 8 & 14 years. Writing blank cheques for the Tories to cash is nothing to crow about.

Starmer isn't loved personally, and the Tories should have ruined themselves for an entire political generation. It's a sad day if the wider Left of the Party is lacking the clarity of vision as much as you are over what an opportunity is about to present itself.
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It's about policy mate not colours on rosettes.

Starmer and co. represent a continuation of Tory policy on privatisation and austerity.

Let's have it right here: some people are just after the big moment when the official Blue Tories are annihilated. That's it. Great. Then their policies continue.

...but they'll have been a 'winner' for a day, so yay!
 
davek said:
It's about policy mate not colours on rosettes.

Starmer and co. represent a continuation of Tory policy on privatisation and austerity.
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It's more about the rosettes than it is the single MP that's currently the leader. Starmer and co aren't the wider Labour party, no matter how much they try to influence local selections to parachute allies in.

But as you're apparently so convinced that a party is a mirror image of their leader, feel free to sit this one out & wallow in the dirt with Galloway. The sensible people on the Left will actually in a position to hold Starmer to account from within the ruling party rather than just griping they didn't get their way, like political toddlers.
 
Xizor said:
It's more about the rosettes than it is the single MP that's currently the leader. Starmer and co aren't the wider Labour party, no matter how much they try to influence local selections to parachute allies in.

But as you're apparently so convinced that a party is a mirror image of their leader, feel free to sit this one out & wallow in the dirt with Galloway. The sensible people on the Left will actually in a position to hold Starmer to account from within the ruling party rather than just griping they didn't get their way, like political toddlers.
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The local parties are cowering in case they're shut down. Have you ANY idea how the membership of the party are feeling? They're leaving in droves or getting forced out in droves.

The LP is now the NEC + inner Starmer circle/cabinet.

Wake up FFS. The Labour Party has gone. Mandelson finally won.

Time for another party.
 
Xizor said:
You know who should be repenting right now? The people who abandoned Labour in 2019, whether they directly flipped to the Tories (to "Get Brexit done"), recoiled in horror at Corbyn and gave their votes to the Lib Dems or some other minor party instead, or just decided that they were going to abstain and sit this one out. Combined, along with the Tory core vote, they enabled the Johnson majority and all the chaos that ensued over the following 4.5 years.
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Probably the same ones who are calling the ones who criticise Starmer Tories
 
The Starmer Red Tories are a racist party.

Take a look at the Forde Report and you wont be surprised at their immigration policy right now.

Their own officers have proven to be virulently anti-black and anti-Muslim.
 
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