Current Affairs The Labour Party

[orchard]

The one thing that gives me a bit of hope generally with regards to the LP is that these hand chosen wannabe yes-men are so bad at politics, and have so little actual base to them (in terms of popular support inside or outside the party, and a complete lack of intellectual coherence / confidence) that they could probably be removed from power quite quickly before they do too much damage. That clique at the top contains no person of actual note, in terms of having demonstrable ability never mind their own following within the wider party or public at large - these are really politically insecure people. Of the rest of the SC there is only really Rayner and Miliband who could be said to have a bit more about them, and then beyond that there are a few in the PLP who would clearly do a better job than the clique (Rosena Allin-Khan probably being the best example but there are others).

Corbyn managed to remove from the top of the party a much stronger lot that and they were not already horrifically compromised over Gaza or their war against their own party membership, so once a more able leader can be found this shower will probably be swept away quickly and then the work of fixing the country can begin.

This is a bit dreamy mate, haven't they already solidified their control by removing accountability measures ? Then there's the controversial electronic voting system that's provided by a donor to the current lot. That'll help the politically insecure out a bit.

How are these guys managing to pay for their Tik-Tok influencers to 'nudge' the youth vote when they're pretty much broke now ? Is that what the donation from that company that was formed in apartheid SA was about, as well as his son?

 

[orchard]

murdoch's hyenas are already setting the table for this. Having pilloried may, johnson, truss and sunak, the media scum can't wait to dole out a witch hunt like they did Corbyn just for the sake of some perverted idea of even handedness.

There's no need mate, as far as I can tell anyway. Plenty of returns for finance and corpo's with this lot in my estimation. Additionally, haven't they also said no to Leveson mk.II and to a review of the voting system?

 

[Rita_Poon]

There's no need mate, as far as I can tell anyway. Plenty of returns for finance and corpo's with this lot in my estimation. Additionally, haven't they also said no to Leveson mk.II and to a review of the voting system?

Well yes, the Hugh Grant wrap up in the last week or so seems to have almost put the lid on press intrusion. Think there's only Harry and Megs to get dealt with now? I'm hoping the voting malaise is just so as not to spook the south east and generation boomer. So far as finance, the banks hold the cards as they were threatening to head off to Frankfurt and so were temporarily sweetened with the removal of the cap on bonuses. Wall street all over again, 'greed is good', (so long as someone else is paying).

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Firstly, I believe this is a place for discussion and as such i'm interested to know whether there is any thing whatsoever that underpins your faith in the current Labour party, or whether it's a vacuous impulse, just like 'Get Brexit done', that's going to lead to a similar lack of concrete mandate and another authoritarian government with a majority flooded by hand chosen wannabe yes-men that continue to implement policy for a minority at the expense of the rest because 'they know what's best'.

You're too scared to look at their history aren't you ? @tsubaki

Boring red Tory mantra...

Plenty to go at here https://labour.org.uk/missions/ and here https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/10-labour-policies-to-change-britain/

Of course it's missing detail and needs tweaking and we are not getting policy as its either stolen or torn to bits by a very biased client media which has you and others giggling in the corner, good enough reason not publish any policy until election date is set.

And as vacuous as it seems to you I strongly believe that Starmer would be better than any of previous PMs in the last 14 years. And Rayner better than any sitting deputy opposite in the same period. I'll wear vacuous with pride. Might even get a flag if bothered enough...

 

[orchard]

Boring red Tory mantra...

Plenty to go at here https://labour.org.uk/missions/ and here https://labour.org.uk/updates/stories/10-labour-policies-to-change-britain/

Of course it's missing detail and needs tweaking and we are not getting policy as its either stolen or torn to bits by a very biased client media which has you and others giggling in the corner, good enough reason not publish any policy until election date is set.

And as vacuous as it seems to you I strongly believe that Starmer would be better than any of previous PMs in the last 14 years. And Rayner better than any sitting deputy opposite in the same period. I'll wear vacuous with pride. Might even get a flag if bothered enough...

A lot of hope and belief there again. The Con's may steal and implement it favouring their lobby rather than Labour's lobby, but I don't think that all the media are gunning for them, there's no need, and they're not.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

A lot of hope and belief there again. The Con's may steal and implement it favouring their lobby rather than Labour's lobby, but I don't think that all the media are gunning for them, there's no need, and they're not.

Okey dokey " Dan Hodges" of Grand Old Team. Think ill leave it there.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

A lot of hope and belief there again. The Con's may steal and implement it favouring their lobby rather than Labour's lobby, but I don't think that all the media are gunning for them, there's no need, and they're not.

To be fair, @NilSatisOptimum belief is as valid as your disbelief. The proof will be in the pudding, so to speak.

 

[tsubaki]

This is a bit dreamy mate, haven't they already solidified their control by removing accountability measures ? Then there's the controversial electronic voting system that's provided by a donor to the current lot. That'll help the politically insecure out a bit.

How are these guys managing to pay for their Tik-Tok influencers to 'nudge' the youth vote when they're pretty much broke now ? Is that what the donation from that company that was formed in apartheid SA was about, as well as his son?

TBF it is what they are doing that gives me the hope. Anyone who changes the rules to protect themselves is both not strong enough to last and (more importantly) knows they are not strong enough. Anyone who is so reliant on a small number of donors that they have to shell out sinecures knows they do not have significant support, otherwise they’d have the money (I don’t need to tell you this but surely everyone saw what Corbynism did for the financial situation of the LP).

When in government, even when they are faced with a little crisis - a hospital trust PFI collapsing for instance - they won't be able to do what they want (ie: let the status quo continue) because they know they cannot take the hit. If they try to, what is going to allow someone like Streeting to stand before the nation and say everyone else is wrong, I am right? He'd be laughed out of office.

 

[tsubaki]

Okey dokey " Dan Hodges" of Grand Old Team. Think ill leave it there.

TBF the fact that Dan Hodges is fine with, and in some cases good friends with, several of the clique at the top of the LP should tell you everything you need to know about them.

 

[orchard]

Okey dokey " Dan Hodges" of Grand Old Team. Think ill leave it there.

Hahaha, I don't know how the Dan Hodge thing works when I'm trying to point out that Neu-Labour appear to be all about courting Tory lobbyists maybe with a sprinkling of social policies that will be paid for expensively on the never-never. Isn't the party you keep on posting in support of most likely to be 'Dan Hodges' ?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

TBF the fact that Dan Hodges is fine with, and in some cases good friends with, several of the clique at the top of the LP should tell you everything you need to know about them.

Just not Starmer Cooper Rayner. Okey dokey, I'll pass on that cool aid if you don't mind.

 

[orchard]

To be fair, @NilSatisOptimum belief is as valid as your disbelief. The proof will be in the pudding, so to speak.

Like 'Get Brexit done' ? There are probably enough indicators already. Both major parties abhor and are afraid of democracy, and with the little we have, we're encouraged to have blind faith in electing the next oligarchy. Marvellous.

 

[orchard]

TBF it is what they are doing that gives me the hope. Anyone who changes the rules to protect themselves is both not strong enough to last and (more importantly) knows they are not strong enough. Anyone who is so reliant on a small number of donors that they have to shell out sinecures knows they do not have significant support, otherwise they’d have the money (I don’t need to tell you this but surely everyone saw what Corbynism did for the financial situation of the LP).

When in government, even when they are faced with a little crisis - a hospital trust PFI collapsing for instance - they won't be able to do what they want (ie: let the status quo continue) because they know they cannot take the hit. If they try to, what is going to allow someone like Streeting to stand before the nation and say everyone else is wrong, I am right? He'd be laughed out of office.

Have das neu-Labour taken a position on the water utilities situation?

 

[tsubaki]

Have das neu-Labour taken a position on the water utilities situation?

Probably its usual position of "well we'd run it better".

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Like 'Get Brexit done' ? There are probably enough indicators already. Both major parties abhor and are afraid of democracy, and with the little we have, we're encouraged to have blind faith in electing the next oligarchy. Marvellous.

Aye, I get that trust in politics is smashed but I "hope" that Labour can show some progress whilst working through the constraints that the tory shills have created. If they don't then it'll be fair to say that UK politics will be a busted flush. That said, we already know its it is broken, it is just a matter of what will come first, the reformation, or the ramping up of the dystopian world moving into.