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[Xizor]

I went and looked up these six in the Telegraph's article. It's paywalled but I'll copy the relevancies in here for anyone wanting to dig beyond the splash:

• Boris Johnson’s former wife Marina Wheeler KC, a leading barrister, is giving advice to Sir Keir’s party on protecting women against workplace harassment.
• Mark Carney, once handpicked by George Osborne as Bank of England’s governor, has built on his praise of Rachel Reeves last autumn by guiding her on private sector investment.
• Nick Boles, the former Conservative skills minister, is offering informal insights to shadow ministers on how to transition from opposition into power.
• Lord O’Neill of Gatley, a former Conservative Treasury secretary and champion of the Tory-declared “Northern Powerhouse”, has helped on a Labour review of business start-up funding.
• Lord Cooper, made a Tory peer by Lord Cameron thanks to his polling and strategy advice, has on multiple occasions addressed the Labour shadow cabinet. He went to school with Sir Keir.
• The Telegraph can reveal that Tom Fletcher, who was Lord Cameron’s foreign policy adviser and a former Lebanon ambassador, is also now feeding in thoughts on diplomacy. Mr Fletcher already had Labour credentials, having also advised Gordon Brown in Downing Street. But all are signs of Whitehall types sensing from where the sun is shining.

It doesn't sound to me like Starmer is assembling a core team of Tory policymakers to surround him in No 10.

 

[Aberblue]

Is there actually any gullible idiots still about that think anything will be different under labour?

If they eliminate the open corruption and unprecedented incompetence, that would be a start.

I'm no fan of Labour but they can't be as bad as the governments we've had in the last few years.

 

[mahermi1]

I went and looked up these six in the Telegraph's article. It's paywalled but I'll copy the relevancies in here for anyone wanting to dig beyond the splash:

• Boris Johnson’s former wife Marina Wheeler KC, a leading barrister, is giving advice to Sir Keir’s party on protecting women against workplace harassment.
• Mark Carney, once handpicked by George Osborne as Bank of England’s governor, has built on his praise of Rachel Reeves last autumn by guiding her on private sector investment.
• Nick Boles, the former Conservative skills minister, is offering informal insights to shadow ministers on how to transition from opposition into power.
• Lord O’Neill of Gatley, a former Conservative Treasury secretary and champion of the Tory-declared “Northern Powerhouse”, has helped on a Labour review of business start-up funding.
• Lord Cooper, made a Tory peer by Lord Cameron thanks to his polling and strategy advice, has on multiple occasions addressed the Labour shadow cabinet. He went to school with Sir Keir.
• The Telegraph can reveal that Tom Fletcher, who was Lord Cameron’s foreign policy adviser and a former Lebanon ambassador, is also now feeding in thoughts on diplomacy. Mr Fletcher already had Labour credentials, having also advised Gordon Brown in Downing Street. But all are signs of Whitehall types sensing from where the sun is shining.

It doesn't sound to me like Starmer is assembling a core team of Tory policymakers to surround him in No 10.

In bed with Bojo's ex wife, hmm that could be interesting..

 

[Rita_Poon]

• Lord O’Neill of Gatley, a former Conservative Treasury secretary and champion of the tory-declared “Northern Powerhouse”, has helped on a Labour review of business start-up funding.

What does this person do? Is he the half time entertainment or the runner with the orange wedges? Ought to be a tower of london job for the hs2 debacle.

 

[Thomasc]

If they eliminate the open corruption and unprecedented incompetence, that would be a start.

I'm no fan of Labour but they can't be as bad as the governments we've had in the last few years.

Exactly this

It has been nothing short of a farce, particularly for the last 6 years.

 

[Mr. White]

Regretably there is no way that Labour could ever turn this around in 1 term in power, it will take 2 perhaps even 3 terms as they have inherited such a mess..

Myself only hope that the Great British Electorate which thankfully is not represented here can actually see the mess the Tories have made and are patient with Labour and give them some time, but we all know that patience with politicians is not something that many of public have as me myself and reigns supreme.

You could have posted this same message back in 2010. Just switch Labour for Tory, and vice versa= same message. Did you show patience back then?

Too many rose-tinted spectacle wearers on here.

 

[tsubaki]

If they eliminate the open corruption and unprecedented incompetence, that would be a start.

I'm no fan of Labour but they can't be as bad as the governments we've had in the last few years.

This is a low bar and yet they will struggle to get over it.

Again, these people are the leftovers / dregs of the people who Corbyn thrashed, twice. They’ve seen the past twenty plus years of British politics and have come to the conclusion that more of the same is the answer. They are being guided by people who failed as ministers even under much more favourable times, under much less pressure. You can see how bad they are by how often they get simple decisions about reacting to developing events wrong, often on really simple issues.

In short there’s nothing on the frontbench that would make me at all hopeful that they’d do well. Starmer might be the exception in that he ruthlessly binned off the left, so presumably he is capable of binning off the incompetent leeches of the right too.

The only saving grace for me is that Labour would, if the win is as big as polls suggest, would be able to discard that faction from power without too much internal political opposition. That would probably result in creatures such as Wes Streeting being boosted by all the papers, but Starmer could live with that.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Rosé wine tinted right?

 

[mahermi1]

You could have posted this same message back in 2010. Just switch Labour for Tory, and vice versa= same message. Did you show patience back then?

Too many rose-tinted spectacle wearers on here.

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Mr White it's 2024, how much patience do you need ? It's got a helluva lot worse, are you living in a cocoon...

 

[Billy Dean]

If they eliminate the open corruption and unprecedented incompetence, that would be a start.

I think is all that a lot of people care about unfortunately. The actual substance of policies is of less importance to many

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

This is a low bar and yet they will struggle to get over it.

Again, these people are the leftovers / dregs of the people who Corbyn thrashed, twice. They’ve seen the past twenty plus years of British politics and have come to the conclusion that more of the same is the answer. They are being guided by people who failed as ministers even under much more favourable times, under much less pressure. You can see how bad they are by how often they get simple decisions about reacting to developing events wrong, often on really simple issues.

In short there’s nothing on the frontbench that would make me at all hopeful that they’d do well. Starmer might be the exception in that he ruthlessly binned off the left, so presumably he is capable of binning off the incompetent leeches of the right too.

The only saving grace for me is that Labour would, if the win is as big as polls suggest, would be able to discard that faction from power without too much internal political opposition. That would probably result in creatures such as Wes Streeting being boosted by all the papers, but Starmer could live with that.

Why are you still going on about Corbyn!

If Labour win, they win, and most right minded people are hoping this is so.

 

[tsubaki]

Why are you still going on about Corbyn!

If Labour win, they win, and most right minded people are hoping this is so.

The answer is contained in that post.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The answer is contained in that post.

Indeed, obsession.

 

[Mr. White]

Mr White it's 2024, how much patience do you need ? It's got a helluva lot worse, are you living in a cocoon...

It was @NilSatisOptimum asking for patience; two or three terms... so, 15 years!

I'm not living in a cocoon. I'm old enough to remember the last Labour Governement were spending £4 for every £3 that came in. They left this country with a truly horrific deficit that we have never recovered from... a snowball effect that is hard to stop, never mind reverse.

Already, excuses are being made for a potential new Labour government... and to shift blame back to the Conservatives for the last 14 years.

Blame goes back more than 14 years. It's Blair and Brown that put the country in the financial mess we currently find ourselves in.

 

[Thomasc]

It was @NilSatisOptimum asking for patience; two or three terms... so, 15 years!

I'm not living in a cocoon. I'm old enough to remember the last Labour Governement were spending £4 for every £3 that came in. They left this country with a truly horrific deficit that we have never recovered from... a snowball effect that is hard to stop, never mind reverse.

Already, excuses are being made for a potential new Labour government... and to shift blame back to the Conservatives for the last 14 years.

Blame goes back more than 14 years. It's Blair and Brown that put the country in the financial mess we currently find ourselves in.

8 of the last 9 recessions in the U.K. have been under Tory rule. You are chatting absolute wham.

When the Tory’s were elected in 2010, they were elected on a bed of lies brought about by the financial crash which was a result of Thatchers banking deregulation.

The last Labour government were a league above this pathetic shower of corrupt, inept and manipulative scum who have been abusing the country and its inhabitants for 14 years.