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I had to chuckle at this article - https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400 - in which the TUC bloke said "The government is skating on thin ice by relying on household debt to drive growth. A strong economy needs people spending wages, not credit cards and loans. "

...so vote for a Labour government that will borrow loads of money to 'end austerity'. I know it's trite, but it did make me laugh.
 
I had to chuckle at this article - https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-uk-household-debt-now-stands-at-record-15400 - in which the TUC bloke said "The government is skating on thin ice by relying on household debt to drive growth. A strong economy needs people spending wages, not credit cards and loans. "

...so vote for a Labour government that will borrow loads of money to 'end austerity'. I know it's trite, but it did make me laugh.

Again, it’s what they spend the borrowed money on that will be important.

Spending it on buying out PFI deals, ending long term contracts (like defence housing), renationalising or reintegrating some public services (eg rail) and building tens / hundreds of thousands of new social housing would almost certainly save money in the medium and long term. Spending it on vanity projects probably wouldn’t.
 
Again, it’s what they spend the borrowed money on that will be important.

Spending it on buying out PFI deals, ending long term contracts (like defence housing), renationalising or reintegrating some public services (eg rail) and building tens / hundreds of thousands of new social housing would almost certainly save money in the medium and long term. Spending it on vanity projects probably wouldn’t.

Sure, like I said, I appreciate it's a bit trite and there's the whole Keynesian argument for stimulus etc. it just made me laugh.
 
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Of course they are popular. They give things away for free and don’t have to accept grown up responsibility for defence or policing.....

Grown up responsibility? This is when the other party spent eight years cutting the police for everyone else and then demanded they get more protection?
 
As someone who voted Remain, I'm deffo more attuned to a Corbyn Brexit where environmental and food standards will remain or exceed the eu's. I'm sure quite a few leave voters would rather maintain worker's rights too...
 
Obviously Bruce, but I'm sure that as a separate negotiation in the future, if there was a demand, could be fairly straight forward.
 
Obviously Bruce, but I'm sure that as a separate negotiation in the future, if there was a demand, could be fairly straight forward.

Well sure, we can all waft about intangible things like food standards we couldn't name if our life depended on it. Much easier to do that than actually challenge the fear of the foreigner. The very fact that Corbyn is still prattling on about a general election shows how out of touch he is.

It's a two horse race, so lets speculate. Say he wins, what would happen then? He says he'd be able to negotiate a better deal, but that has no more basis than David Davis' easiest deal in history waffle. The fundamentals wouldn't have changed one bit, and in many instances the UK would be in an even weaker position than two years ago as we've been fundamentally shown up in that time. He also wouldn't be able to present any more of a united front than the Tories have as half his party disagree with him. Even if he were able to do something though, why would the EU agree to grant an extension of another couple of years to renegotiate? They'd be well within their rights to roll their eyes and tell us to get our bloody act in gear.

Alternatively, there still remains a possibility that the Tories would win, in which case in Corbyn's eyes, they would have a mandate for something that parliament thinks is a rubbish idea, as do most of the public.

If I was a betting man, I reckon if you gave people a binding vote for 'none of the above' that would win in a landslide in any general election called right now.
 
Well sure, we can all waft about intangible things like food standards we couldn't name if our life depended on it. Much easier to do that than actually challenge the fear of the foreigner. The very fact that Corbyn is still prattling on about a general election shows how out of touch he is.

It's a two horse race, so lets speculate. Say he wins, what would happen then? He says he'd be able to negotiate a better deal, but that has no more basis than David Davis' easiest deal in history waffle. The fundamentals wouldn't have changed one bit, and in many instances the UK would be in an even weaker position than two years ago as we've been fundamentally shown up in that time. He also wouldn't be able to present any more of a united front than the Tories have as half his party disagree with him. Even if he were able to do something though, why would the EU agree to grant an extension of another couple of years to renegotiate? They'd be well within their rights to roll their eyes and tell us to get our bloody act in gear.

Alternatively, there still remains a possibility that the Tories would win, in which case in Corbyn's eyes, they would have a mandate for something that parliament thinks is a rubbish idea, as do most of the public.

If I was a betting man, I reckon if you gave people a binding vote for 'none of the above' that would win in a landslide in any general election called right now.

“Prattling on”? A General Election is vastly more sensible than a second referendum is.
 
Well sure, we can all waft about intangible things like food standards we couldn't name if our life depended on it. Much easier to do that than actually challenge the fear of the foreigner. The very fact that Corbyn is still prattling on about a general election shows how out of touch he is.

It's a two horse race, so lets speculate. Say he wins, what would happen then? He says he'd be able to negotiate a better deal, but that has no more basis than David Davis' easiest deal in history waffle. The fundamentals wouldn't have changed one bit, and in many instances the UK would be in an even weaker position than two years ago as we've been fundamentally shown up in that time. He also wouldn't be able to present any more of a united front than the Tories have as half his party disagree with him. Even if he were able to do something though, why would the EU agree to grant an extension of another couple of years to renegotiate? They'd be well within their rights to roll their eyes and tell us to get our bloody act in gear.

Alternatively, there still remains a possibility that the Tories would win, in which case in Corbyn's eyes, they would have a mandate for something that parliament thinks is a rubbish idea, as do most of the public.

If I was a betting man, I reckon if you gave people a binding vote for 'none of the above' that would win in a landslide in any general election called right now.

Very emotional Bruce,what was your point again? You really can be as bad as some of the leave voters at times mate.

IF this hypothesis occurs:
'Tories would win, in which case in Corbyn's eyes, they would have a mandate for something that parliament thinks is a rubbish idea, as do most of the public.'
Surely we deserve what we get.
 
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