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[NilSatisOptimum]

protecting starmer?

Cry me a river Tory enablers.

 

[Alan Whittle]

The basic argument, archaic Parliamentary convention aside, was for Israeli to;

(SNP) Stop now.
(Labour) Stop without actually stopping.
(Tories) Have a break then carry on.

 

[mightymoyes]

Cry me a river Tory enablers.

since we're throwing ridiculous insults, no baby-killer enabler

 

[tsubaki]

Cry me a river Tory enablers.

You are talking absolute nonsense here lad

 

[Brigadier2]

Labour turning into the tory Party more and more each day, all this for the friends of Israel.

 

[peteblue]

I feel sorry for Hoyle, he always seemed an honest and honourable person. He still is, but allowing Starmer to pull a stunt like that and effectively being bullied is not what is needed from a Speaker. I fear he will be put under massive pressure to resign. Parliament just went the same way as our trident missile heaping more embarrassment onto the U.K……

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

since we're throwing ridiculous insults, no baby-killer enabler

You are talking absolute nonsense here lad

Really because a non partisan balanced way to describe what happened yesterday would be this, isn't a good look for the "Mother of all Parliaments" - that a room of supposed grown and mature adults could behave this way by descending into petty politicking, and all sides bear some responsibility for this shambles. You may play or actually be serious with yourselves either way its not my business, but your not kidding me which is essentially faux outrage.

 

[Roger Milla]

Stephen Flynn has told the speaker that the SNP have no confidence in him and they want a vote of no confidence to remove him.

 

[mightymoyes]

Really because a non partisan balanced way to describe what happened yesterday would be this, isn't a good look for the "Mother of all Parliaments" - that a room of supposed grown and mature adults could behave this way by descending into petty politicking, and all sides bear some responsibility for this shambles. You may play or actually be serious with yourselves either way its not my business, but your not kidding me which is essentially faux outrage.

you know you've lost the argument when resorting to trumpian style garbage

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The basic argument, archaic Parliamentary convention aside, was for Israeli to;

(SNP) Stop now.
(Labour) Stop without actually stopping.
(Tories) Have a break then carry on.

Just not honest reflection. Labour's amendment goes much further in its aims than the original SNP motion. Surely no-one in or outside of Parliamemt should have an issue with that (especially since the amended motion was passed). But this important point seems to have been lost in all of the point-scoring and finger-pointing and recriminations. The fact that the SNP got the ceasefire motion they were after and they’re still complaining proves what it was really about all along.

 

[orchard]

I feel sorry for Hoyle, he always seemed an honest and honourable person. He still is, but allowing Starmer to pull a stunt like that and effectively being bullied is not what is needed from a Speaker. I fear he will be put under massive pressure to resign. Parliament just went the same way as our trident missile heaping more embarrassment onto the U.K……

Hoyle's always been an unfit Speaker. Always. Just because this time he's been bullied by Labour makes no difference, except that for me, the current Labour party stoops even lower with a disregard for convention in order to further its own dubious ends. That irks me as much as every time that the scum have done it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Hoyle's always been an unfit Speaker. Always. Just because this time he's been bullied by Labour makes no difference, except that for me, the current Labour party stoops even lower with a disregard for convention in order to further its own dubious ends. That irks me as much as every time that the scum have done it.

Hoyle won't be missed, what a hill to die on. Bit late in the day to find some courage. I would hope he would be replaced after the next election anyway.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I feel sorry for Hoyle, he always seemed an honest and honourable person. He still is, but allowing Starmer to pull a stunt like that and effectively being bullied is not what is needed from a Speaker. I fear he will be put under massive pressure to resign. Parliament just went the same way as our trident missile heaping more embarrassment onto the U.K……

Looks like Hoyle was given credible evidence of death threats to MPs hence is action yesterday. Oh dear oh dear fancy jumping on this for political games.

From Guardian Blog-

From The Guardian Live Blog:

Hoyle apologises to SNP, offers to let them hold emergency debate, but defends wanting to protect MPs
Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, is responding to Flynn.

He says he made a judgment call that did not end up where he expected. He regrets it. He apologises to the SNP. He has made a mistake. He says he will allow an emergency debate under standing order 24 on this.

He will defend all MPs, he says.

He says he never ever wants to pick up a folder to pick up a note about an MP being murdered.

He says he has been shown material that is “absolutely frightening” about the threats to MPs.

And if his mistake is to look after MPs, he is guilty. He has a duty to protect people, he says.

All MPs are at risk, he says. He had serious meetings with the police yesterday. Heading into the election, there are threats.

He repeats the point that he is offering an SO24 debate.

 

[tsubaki]

Looks like Hoyle was given credible evidence of death threats to MPs hence is action yesterday. Oh dear oh dear fancy jumping on this for political games.

From Guardian Blog-

From The Guardian Live Blog:

Hoyle apologises to SNP, offers to let them hold emergency debate, but defends wanting to protect MPs
Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, is responding to Flynn.

He says he made a judgment call that did not end up where he expected. He regrets it. He apologises to the SNP. He has made a mistake. He says he will allow an emergency debate under standing order 24 on this.

He will defend all MPs, he says.

He says he never ever wants to pick up a folder to pick up a note about an MP being murdered.

He says he has been shown material that is “absolutely frightening” about the threats to MPs.

And if his mistake is to look after MPs, he is guilty. He has a duty to protect people, he says.

All MPs are at risk, he says. He had serious meetings with the police yesterday. Heading into the election, there are threats.

He repeats the point that he is offering an SO24 debate.

Again - why is it so important for the Speaker to act rather than that parties own leadership?

At least with the Tories most of them are pro-Israel and would vote no out of conviction, but Starmer was imposing a whip on MPs who themselves agreed with the SNP motion. He put them at risk, especially with the likely punishment that would be meted out (removal of the whip disbars a person from being a Labour candidate). He refused to do the right thing about it, and it was him who threatened Hoyle into taking this action.

On this he has behaved disgracefully.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Just not honest reflection.

It’s my honest reflection.