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[Joey66]

No, I define it as all economists do, which is reducing the deficit. Perhaps half the problem is people making up definitions to suit themselves.

Most economist could not forecast a winner in a one horse race Bruce!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Most economist could not forecast a winner in a one horse race Bruce!

So what? It's an economic term, therefore economists define it. Whether they can forecast accurately is completely irrelevant.

 

[Joey66]

So what? It's an economic term, therefore economists define it. Whether they can forecast accurately is completely irrelevant.

Urm really make a mental note of that for your future post.......that you usually google.....lol

 

[tsubaki]

No, I define it as all economists do, which is reducing the deficit. Perhaps half the problem is people making up definitions to suit themselves.

Perhaps, though if you take it to that extreme then economics becomes more like theology

 

[Caolam]

I think the problem is that we have allowed economics to become politics.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not sure if this would be better here or the Tory thread, but either way - https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...emy-corbyn-politics-uk-politics-a8704181.html

 

[The binman chronicles]

Not sure if this would be better here or the Tory thread, but either way - https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...emy-corbyn-politics-uk-politics-a8704181.html

That about sums up my feelings on the whole.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That about sums up my feelings on the whole.

Mine too to be honest. Really is no one that has my backing in Westminster today.

 

[catcherintherye]

Not sure if this would be better here or the Tory thread, but either way - https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...emy-corbyn-politics-uk-politics-a8704181.html

It's an interesting article. My point would be it's not very representative of how people feel. If both leaders were as bad as many in the press make out, other parties would be soaring (notably the Liberal Democrats). The truth is the Liberal democrats can't get beyond 10% of the vote share. One recent poll had them as low as 6%.

I do worry, comments such as that in the independent just entrench people behind their respective leader as their experience as voters is very different to what the political class are trying to tell them.

If serious effort was made to understand what the base for Corbynism is then "we" (or they I am not sure if I am a Corbynista really!) would be in real trouble. As someone who would vote for Corbyn, when I see articles continually attacking him I don't mind. I know it will continue to harden people to support him and move people towards him.

I will be worried the day politicians start taking the questions of inequality, racism, warfare, the behaviour of countries such as Israel/Saudi Arabia and the treatment of refugees more seriously. When that day comes then a more competent leader will outflank Corbyn. Until then the petty attacks on him will continue to see his support and vote base remain at a very high level in either polls of elections.

 

[dannyboy]

Not sure if this would be better here or the Tory thread, but either way - https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...emy-corbyn-politics-uk-politics-a8704181.html

Vote for the policies which you believe in. The figurehead is merely there for the celebrity aspect of it all, it makes little difference to ordinary people´s lives.

 

[neil999]

It's an interesting article. My point would be it's not very representative of how people feel. If both leaders were as bad as many in the press make out, other parties would be soaring (notably the Liberal Democrats). The truth is the Liberal democrats can't get beyond 10% of the vote share. One recent poll had them as low as 6%.

I do worry, comments such as that in the independent just entrench people behind their respective leader as their experience as voters is very different to what the political class are trying to tell them.

If serious effort was made to understand what the base for Corbynism is then "we" (or they I am not sure if I am a Corbynista really!) would be in real trouble. As someone who would vote for Corbyn, when I see articles continually attacking him I don't mind. I know it will continue to harden people to support him and move people towards him.

I will be worried the day politicians start taking the questions of inequality, racism, warfare, the behaviour of countries such as Israel/Saudi Arabia and the treatment of refugees more seriously. When that day comes then a more competent leader will outflank Corbyn. Until then the petty attacks on him will continue to see his support and vote base remain at a very high level in either polls of elections.

i think lib dems are in a bit of a perfect storm politically, coalition with tories has made them poisonous to left leaning voters and i suspect centerist/pro-europe tories wont vote for them out of fear of a corbyn government

 

[dannyboy]

It's an interesting article. My point would be it's not very representative of how people feel. If both leaders were as bad as many in the press make out, other parties would be soaring (notably the Liberal Democrats). The truth is the Liberal democrats can't get beyond 10% of the vote share. One recent poll had them as low as 6%.

I do worry, comments such as that in the independent just entrench people behind their respective leader as their experience as voters is very different to what the political class are trying to tell them.

If serious effort was made to understand what the base for Corbynism is then "we" (or they I am not sure if I am a Corbynista really!) would be in real trouble. As someone who would vote for Corbyn, when I see articles continually attacking him I don't mind. I know it will continue to harden people to support him and move people towards him.

I will be worried the day politicians start taking the questions of inequality, racism, warfare, the behaviour of countries such as Israel/Saudi Arabia and the treatment of refugees more seriously. When that day comes then a more competent leader will outflank Corbyn. Until then the petty attacks on him will continue to see his support and vote base remain at a very high level in either polls of elections.

What the establishment have failed to grasp is that attacking Corbyn has no impact upon his support base. People aren´t voting for Labour due to some cult of personality like the press would you have believe, it is mostly down to policies.

 

[dannyboy]

i think lib dems are in a bit of a perfect storm politically, coalition with tories has made them poisonous to left leaning voters and i suspect centerist/pro-europe tories wont vote for them out of fear of a corbyn government

The Lib Dems are just a mess.

 

[zzr45]

It's an interesting article. My point would be it's not very representative of how people feel. If both leaders were as bad as many in the press make out, other parties would be soaring (notably the Liberal Democrats). The truth is the Liberal democrats can't get beyond 10% of the vote share. One recent poll had them as low as 6%.

I do worry, comments such as that in the independent just entrench people behind their respective leader as their experience as voters is very different to what the political class are trying to tell them.

If serious effort was made to understand what the base for Corbynism is then "we" (or they I am not sure if I am a Corbynista really!) would be in real trouble. As someone who would vote for Corbyn, when I see articles continually attacking him I don't mind. I know it will continue to harden people to support him and move people towards him.

I will be worried the day politicians start taking the questions of inequality, racism, warfare, the behaviour of countries such as Israel/Saudi Arabia and the treatment of refugees more seriously. When that day comes then a more competent leader will outflank Corbyn. Until then the petty attacks on him will continue to see his support and vote base remain at a very high level in either polls of elections.

It encapsulates the feelings towards current politics perfectly. Just because people don’t like May or Corbyn doesn’t mean that people will gravitate towards an alternative party. Arguably, people are becoming more passé towards politics due to the dearth of policies which actually speak to the man on the street. As the article sums up towards the end, it puts the country in the horrible position of a populist movement springing up.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's an interesting article. My point would be it's not very representative of how people feel. If both leaders were as bad as many in the press make out, other parties would be soaring (notably the Liberal Democrats). The truth is the Liberal democrats can't get beyond 10% of the vote share. One recent poll had them as low as 6%.

I do worry, comments such as that in the independent just entrench people behind their respective leader as their experience as voters is very different to what the political class are trying to tell them.

If serious effort was made to understand what the base for Corbynism is then "we" (or they I am not sure if I am a Corbynista really!) would be in real trouble. As someone who would vote for Corbyn, when I see articles continually attacking him I don't mind. I know it will continue to harden people to support him and move people towards him.

I will be worried the day politicians start taking the questions of inequality, racism, warfare, the behaviour of countries such as Israel/Saudi Arabia and the treatment of refugees more seriously. When that day comes then a more competent leader will outflank Corbyn. Until then the petty attacks on him will continue to see his support and vote base remain at a very high level in either polls of elections.

I should be ideal Lib Dem material really, but have no clue what they really stand for, so I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable voting for them. I know Jo Swinson a bit, and she's a nice enough lady but she's a very long way from being prime minister material. That's kind of the point of the article I think - that politicians from all parties are really poor at the moment, hence why 'don't know' scores so highly on tests of who would be the best PM.