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[Walken]

On another note, I have been looking for a while but have been unable to see any Labour opposition to the plans laid out by Cleverly yesterday if anyone has seen anything.

Labours singular tactic in opposition appears to be laissez-faire, all well and good with such an incompetent government, But, when you have a government not only incompetent but also bigoted, cruel and looking to attack minorities at every turn it leaves a lot of folk without representation.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The election next year is not the worry for me, It should/will be a Labour win but not at the level the polling is suggesting.

I agree with your point that it's likely to be chaotic next year. The culture wars and character assassination of Starmer will certainly have a negative impact on Labour votes. If it's close enough for the Tories to sneak in, and worse still, form a coalition with Reform UK, then every Labour voter who holds firm principles against right-wing leadership needs to seriously consider the potential consequences of voting elsewhere.

 

[tsubaki]

After nearly 14 years of Tory Government.

People to the Left of the current Labour Party are verging on hard / far left - types just as dangerous and out of touch as those on the hard / far right.

And just like those on the hard / far right, the British people collectively have little time for them.

This is absolute wham. People further left of the current Labour Party leadership are mostly not “hard” or “far” left types; they just believe in a sort of socialism that was Labour policy until the mid 90s.

In any case they don’t enjoy considerable media, financial or other support like the far right do. How many far left types got several million to run an obviously doomed mayoral campaign like Fox did? How many national far left tv channels have been set up? How many people make a good living from chatting far left talking points on television and in print?

 

[tsubaki]

I agree with your point that it's likely to be chaotic next year. The culture wars and character assassination of Starmer will certainly have a negative impact on Labour votes. If it's close enough for the Tories to sneak in, and worse still, form a coalition with Reform UK, then every Labour voter who holds firm principles against right-wing leadership needs to seriously consider the potential consequences of voting elsewhere.

“a coalition” lol

I’d have thought by now that everyone would have realised what UKIP, the Brexit Party and whatever its called now are. You can’t have a coalition made up of one thing.

 

[Aberblue]

I agree with your point that it's likely to be chaotic next year. The culture wars and character assassination of Starmer will certainly have a negative impact on Labour votes. If it's close enough for the Tories to sneak in, and worse still, form a coalition with Reform UK, then every Labour voter who holds firm principles against right-wing leadership needs to seriously consider the potential consequences of voting elsewhere.

A coalition with Reform UK is a non starter. They won't win a single seat, and if by some miracle they did, it would be at the expense of the Conservatives.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

This is absolute wham. People further left of the current Labour Party leadership are mostly not “hard” or “far” left types; they just believe in a sort of socialism that was Labour policy until the mid 90s.

In any case they don’t enjoy considerable media, financial or other support like the far right do. How many far left types got several million to run an obviously doomed mayoral campaign like Fox did? How many national far left tv channels have been set up? How many people make a good living from chatting far left talking points on television and in print?

It’s a narrative trotted out ad nauseam. It’s lazy nonsense

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

“a coalition” lol

I’d have thought by now that everyone would have realised what UKIP, the Brexit Party and whatever its called now are. You can’t have a coalition made up of one thing.

lol lol lol

Can one registered party coalesce, or does it take two

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

A coalition with Reform UK is a non starter. They won't win a single seat, and if by some miracle they did, it would be at the expense of the Conservatives.

And if they do take tory seats and the tories need a couple more for power.

I hope Labour wipe them out but I fear that it'll be closer than polls suggest.

 

[tsubaki]

It’s a narrative trotted out ad nauseam. It’s lazy nonsense

Exactly, and it’s always shifting rightwards.

When I was at university the public ownership of the means of production was a far left belief. Fifteen years ago nationalisation of public utilities was deemed a far left belief. Five years ago public funding of tertiary education was deemed a far left belief. Currently we are at the stage of having effective universal human rights is something only the far left believe in.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The 'crazy thinking' was aimed at me in an ironic way...as you well know.

And how is calling a regime crackpot an attack on someone's mental health?

Stop excusing your own bigotry.

"Eh!"

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Labours singular tactic in opposition appears to be laissez-faire, all well and good with such an incompetent government, But, when you have a government not only incompetent but also bigoted, cruel and looking to attack minorities at every turn it leaves a lot of folk without representation.

I don’t mind Yvette Cooper but all I’ve seen is her saying this is a chaotic plan, the result of failed policies and immigration needs to come down



No substance. Pretty pathetic stuff.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

For leader of the party? Clive Lewis.

I’m not voting Lib Dem’s or greens. I’m voting independent for a number of reasons.

I think labour will get in power no matter who I vote for.

I want Labour to be in power because of the alternative but I can’t vote for them with good conscience.

I fully appreciate people voting for Labour just to get the tories out. I have no problem with this.

I’m just going another way. A lot of this thread will look irrelevant when Labour stroll to victory and people like myself still voted elsewhere which is what I think will happen.

Fair enough

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This is absolute wham. People further left of the current Labour Party leadership are mostly not “hard” or “far” left types; they just believe in a sort of socialism that was Labour policy until the mid 90s.

In any case they don’t enjoy considerable media, financial or other support like the far right do. How many far left types got several million to run an obviously doomed mayoral campaign like Fox did? How many national far left tv channels have been set up? How many people make a good living from chatting far left talking points on television and in print?

You mean the electable socialist policy that got elected throughout 80s to mid 90s . Could have interjected earlier and saved us all this trouble.

Boohoo the big bad press and its monopolized press Barons, same as it ever was. They are cards dealt and cry me a river...

 

[Nightman]

The election next year is not the worry for me, It should/will be a Labour win but not at the level the polling is suggesting.

Come the new year the right wing press and the Tories will go all out attack and target Starmer in a way he hasn't been before.

People have short memories and the media will stoop to really low levels and push for the Tories with outright lies and propaganda.

My worry is 5 years time and what way the Tory party will evolve under the likes of someone like Suella and move further to right.

Looks like with the planned cuts in civil service and what they tried to do with the concrete issue and brush it under the carpet for when Labour got into power to sort. What else are they doing behind the scenes is anyone's guess but they will never have the people of this countries best interests at heart.

Your point about Starmer is a really interesting and I think you're right about the level of attack incoming.

I remember Starmer on QT maybe a few months before he was leader and he was given a bit of a rough up by the panel. He didn't cope at all well with it. He lost his rag, head, red faced, etc.

It's always stuck with me.

 

[Milkman]

You mean the electable socialist policy that got elected throughout 80s to mid 90s . Could have interjected earlier and saved us all this trouble.

Boohoo the big bad press and its monopolized press Barons, same as it ever was. They are cards dealt and cry me a river...

Haha this is wild. So much nonsense to unpick.