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[Moomin]

Tory boy

That's something I will never be.

Unlike you being a scab.

 

[Goat]

John Smith would have won the 97 election and was certainly further left than Blair. Whether he would have won a subsequent 2 elections is impossible to say of course. I think that it’s a perpetuated fallacy that labour have to appeal to some sort of mythical middle ground when clear and concise policies and delivery are more likely to win the day. Doubt many voters could even identify what left wing even is tbh.

Remember it’s always the left that has to concede and cooperate. The right can just get more xenophobic and nationalist and none of their voters give a fat one.

So what you are saying is vote Labour.

 

[davek]

But most of the manifestos up to and including 1992's were losing manifestos, Dave. That's the point.

'45, '50, '64, '66, '74 (twice)

The choice in the end is Starmer or Sunak and the headbangers. If he wins, his strategy will be proven correct. There is no majority for Corbynism. That's just reality. Whether there is for Starmer remains to be seen.

There is not choice. And you have only to cast your mind back to Brown's failed attempt at winning elections from the centre ground to show you that the electorate will again turn on a LP operating from that alien position.

People need choice.

A couple of constituency swings here and there in 2017 would have had Labour as the biggest song party after Miliband had cratered Labour.

And, as I've said before in terms of numbers: Corbyn even in 2019 attracted more votes than Blair good in his last election win in 2005....almost a million more votes, in fact.

In short: you're using well-worn and cliched excuses for just accepting a load of spanners who wear red roses but are in fact dyed in the wool Thatcherites.

 

[davek]

Defending the Scum

Stick your head in a blender you muppet.

lol

 

[Goat]

'45, '50, '64, '66, '74 (twice)


There is not choice. And you have only to cast your mind back to Brown's failed attempt at winning elections from the centre ground to show you that the electorate will again turn on a LP operating from that alien position.

People need choice.

A couple of constituency swings here and there in 2017 would have had Labour as the biggest song party after Miliband had cratered Labour.

And, as I've said before in terms of numbers: Corbyn even in 2019 attracted more votes than Blair good in his last election win in 2005....almost a million more votes, in fact.

In short: you're using well-worn and cliched excuses for just accepting a load of spanners who wear red roses but are in fact dyed in the wool Thatcherites.

Not all of them tho.

As I keep saying, there are still a few there that will make a difference, unless you think Spanner will be running the whole country on his own.

 

[davek]

Been a Labour member for many years and helped with many campaigns.

Starmer is a liar, just like Sunak.

Go suck Murdochs cock you Scab.

lol

 

[davek]

Thread seems to have hit some sort of vortex (wonder why...or who...) anyway. Let's take it from the top.
The scum isn't welcome on Merseyside now or ever. The harm done by that rag via mackenzie on behalf of murdoch and his murderers and favour doers in the thatcher cabal will never be forgiven or forgotten. cameron can shove his exceptionally late apology as well!
Unfortunately 'every means of reaching the voters country wide' left behind is a lost opportunity versus the tory-scum, who will seek to capitalise further via their chums (murdoch remember) running the media. So although I don't like it, I appreciate Starmer has to utilise that rag because it appeals to the page 3 ogling, 3am girls following, liquid tripe parroting, morons country wide. Their votes count as well, and winning over those that've been crapped on by 14 years of tory-scum theft is as important as appealing to all the other dynamics of the vote carrying populous. Liverpool/merseyside is not the nation, and the nation has to vote enough to oust the tory-scum.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The tory-scum has got to go. Cry arsing about the lib dems and the greens is just that - cry arsing.

No, no, no.

FFS, how can you even think that?

Shame on you.

 

[Drico]

'45, '50, '64, '66, '74 (twice)


There is not choice. And you have only to cast your mind back to Brown's failed attempt at winning elections from the centre ground to show you that the electorate will again turn on a LP operating from that alien position.

People need choice.

A couple of constituency swings here and there in 2017 would have had Labour as the biggest song party after Miliband had cratered Labour.

And, as I've said before in terms of numbers: Corbyn even in 2019 attracted more votes than Blair good in his last election win in 2005....almost a million more votes, in fact.

In short: you're using well-worn and cliched excuses for just accepting a load of spanners who wear red roses but are in fact dyed in the wool Thatcherites.

Dave, nobody is going to win an election in 2024 on a manifesto from 1974. You are, literally, living in the past.

And the old canard about Corbyn winning more votes than Blair means absolutely nothing if he wins less than the Conservatives - which he did.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

That's something I will never be.

Unlike you being a scab.

You suckle on Murdochs Sky teat, you hippo arsed hackman.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

So what you are saying is vote Labour.

I don’t get the chance unfortunately. Would vote for which ever candidate had the best chance of beating the tories in the area I was in (which would be Lib Dem where I was last living) but would be the least enthusiastic vote I’ve ever done.

 

[Goat]

I don’t get the chance unfortunately. Would vote for which ever candidate had the best chance of beating the tories in the area I was in (which would be Lib Dem where I was last living) but would be the least enthusiastic vote I’ve ever done.

Thats the spirit.

I would probably vote Hitlers Nazi Party to remove these Tory rats.

 

[Rita_Poon]

No, no, no.

FFS, how can you even think that?

Shame on you.

ignoring the demographic nationwide that buys that rag isn't a means to oust the tory-scum. shame on you and your shy-tory ways. haven't you got a benefit gig to organise for putin and his acolytes.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

Thats the spirit.

I would probably vote Hitlers Nazi Party to remove these Tory rats.

@davek would clealry be all over that, the absolute horror.

 

[Drico]

Thats the spirit.

I would probably vote Hitlers Nazi Party to remove these Tory rats.

Now there's a comparison where one could legitimately say: "All the same. No difference between them."

Actually, I'm being very unfair. Hitler had the trains running on time.

 

[davek]

Not all of them tho.

As I keep saying, there are still a few there that will make a difference, unless you think Spanner will be running the whole country on his own.

The others in the LP outside the front bench are petrified of the Manchurian Candidate because the party disciplinary machinery that keeps him in place will ostracise and then deselect anyone who calls for any levelling up.

Is the fact that this feller has broken every promise he's ever made and is now terrorising the people who made him leader not having alarm bells ringing for you in terms of Starmer himself and the hope that others in the party will 'tether' him to so called 'centre-left' policies?

The 'Labour' Party as presently constituted is a Stalinist star chamber that crushes internal dissent.