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[mahermi1]

These people really have a high opinion of themselves, we had protest marches around the country, the Labour Party and co tearing themselves apart over a cease fire. Now a simple question, does anyone for more than a millisecond think that Israel would take absolutely any notice of what the protesters or the HoC vote result would be. This is juvenile student politics which tbh is embarrassing……

Really ? More of a case they voted with their hearts Pete, for me anyway.

 

[peteblue]

Really ? More of a case they voted with their hearts Pete, for me anyway.

Yes they voted with their hearts and convictions, no argument, but to what possible effect. They could have voted to end all wars on the planet and ban any form of hunger or poverty. They would have felt really good about that, but to what end…seriously…….

 

[JimmyJeffers]

These people really have a high opinion of themselves, we had protest marches around the country, the Labour Party and co tearing themselves apart over a cease fire. Now a simple question, does anyone for more than a millisecond think that Israel would take absolutely any notice of what the protesters or the HoC vote result would be. This is juvenile student politics which tbh is embarrassing……

Well what’s the point on any march or show of protest? Might barely register but people feel the need to say this is not in their name.

 

[Milkman]

These people really have a high opinion of themselves, we had protest marches around the country, the Labour Party and co tearing themselves apart over a cease fire. Now a simple question, does anyone for more than a millisecond think that Israel would take absolutely any notice of what the protesters or the HoC vote result would be. This is juvenile student politics which tbh is embarrassing……

I would love to be as amoral as you Pete, I truly would. Life would be much easier and I would be a much happier person for it.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It shows that the Starmer does not have the full backing of his ministers on one issue which is never a good thing. However, I don’t see it having an impact, the only real impact comes if the replacement minister does not do as good a job.
Although by choosing intransigence over pragmatism on this occasion, they bolster the Tory case and weaken the chances of a Labour Government for a time. In that context, splitting the Labour Party and possibly enabling further 5 years of Tory rule, undermines what many of these Labour MPs surely seek to achieve as politicians...

 

[Rita_Poon]

Full list of Labour MPs + Abbott and Corbyn who voted for the SNP Gaza ceasefire amendment.

• Diane Abbott (independent)
• Tahir Ali (Labour)
• Rosena Allin-Khan (Labour)
• Paula Baker (Labour)
• Apsana Begum (Labour)
• Clive Betts (Labour)
• Paul Blomfield (Labour)
• Karen Buck (Labour)
• Richard Burgon (Labour)
• Dawn Butler (Labour)
• Ian Byrne (Labour)
• Liam Byrne (Labour)
• Dan Carden (Labour)
• Sarah Champion (Labour)
• Stella Creasy (Labour)
• Jon Cruddas (Labour)
• Judith Cummins (Labour)
• Marsha De Cordova (Labour)
• Peter Dowd (Labour)
• Jude Elliott (Labour)
• Mary Kelly Foy (Labour)
• Barry Gardiner (Labour)
• Margaret Greenwood (Labour)
• Fabian Hamilton (Labour)
• Kate Hollern (Labour)
• Rachel Hopkins (Labour)
• Rupa Huq (Labour)
• Imran Hussain (Labour)
• Afzal Khan (Labour)
• Ian Lavery (Labour)
• Emma Lewell-Buck (Labour)
• Clive Lewis (Labour)
• Rebecca Long Bailey (Labour)
• Khalid Mahmood (Labour)
• Rachel Maskell (Labour)
• John McDonnell (Labour)
• Ian Mearns (Labour)
• Grahame Morris (Labour)
• Kate Osamor (Labour)
• Kate Osborne (Labour)
• Sarah Owen (Labour)
• Jess Phillips (Labour)
• Yasmin Qureshi (Labour)
• Bell Ribeiro-Addy (Labour)
• Lloyd Russell-Moyle (Labour)
• Naz Shah (Labour)
• Andy Slaughter (Labour)
• Cat Smith (Labour)
• Alex Sobel (Labour)
• Zarah Sultana (Labour)
• Sam Tarry (Labour)
• Stephen Timms (Labour)
• Jon Trickett (Labour)
• Valerie Vaz (Labour)
• Nadia Whittome (Labour)
• Beth Wilson (Labour)
• Mohammad Yasin (Labour)

There's no Corbyn in that list.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Lad ive got poppers.

Jalapeno?

 

[Charro]

It shows that the Starmer does not have the full backing of his ministers on one issue which is never a good thing. However, I don’t see it having an impact, the only real impact comes if the replacement minister does not do as good a job.
Although by choosing intransigence over pragmatism on this occasion, they bolster the Tory case and weaken the chances of a Labour Government for a time. In that context, splitting the Labour Party and possibly enabling further 5 years of Tory rule, undermines what many of these Labour MPs surely seek to achieve as politicians...

You seem happy for people to let starmer do and say what he pleases without any pushback from members or MPs

 

[BlueAmigo]

Did the Green party MP, think there is one, correct me if I'm wrong, vote for a ceasefire mate ? Genuinely don't know.

Yes. Caroline Lucas voted for a ceasefire.

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-ceasefire-vote-gaza-b2448083.html

 

[mahermi1]

It shows that the Starmer does not have the full backing of his ministers on one issue which is never a good thing. However, I don’t see it having an impact, the only real impact comes if the replacement minister does not do as good a job.
Although by choosing intransigence over pragmatism on this occasion, they bolster the Tory case and weaken the chances of a Labour Government for a time. In that context, splitting the Labour Party and possibly enabling further 5 years of Tory rule, undermines what many of these Labour MPs surely seek to achieve as politicians...

Easy in hindsight, but really he should have given a free vote on this, a lot of MP'S were obviously voting with their hearts, hence no tory ayes. That of course is my opinion which is irrelevant. In that case it would not have seemed like division.

 

[Charro]

I think he’s showed himself to not be this great politician people think he is.

So many ways he could have gone that didn’t see resignations and a mini crisis within the party.

 

[Wat Tyler]

Starmer is a loathsome Tory rat

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[DanEFC92]

LOL if you think i'm voting for these chumps any time soon.

 

[Wat Tyler]

It won't matter, because if it's 10% or 100% Starmer will continue to be controlled by Israeli interests. He's been in their pocket since before he was an MP when employed as DPP:

Another recipient of Starmer’s clemency was Tzipi Livni, the former Israeli foreign minister who was part of the Israeli war cabinet during the 2008 assault on Gaza that killed an estimated 1,400 Palestinians, 333 of them children. When she arrived in Britain on the invitation of William Hague, some of Starmer’s former comrades from the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers handed him a private application for her arrest on war crimes charges (bolstered by a damning UN report on Israel’s actions). Starmer could have approved the request immediately and brought Livni in for questioning; but instead, he delayed for long enough that the Foreign Office was able issue a certificate designating her visit a ‘special mission’ during which she should be immune from prosecution. Even then, Starmer could have challenged this legally dubious action by pressing ahead with the application. But he was unwilling to do so, as a CPS spokesperson attested: “The DPP has refused to give his consent to the private prosecutor to make an application to the court for an arrest warrant. In considering this application, he has consulted the attorney general, but the decision is his.”

That Livni is genuinely monstrous