He's made an absolute mess of this.
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Carden hasn’t been seen in Walton since he got elected. More interested in what’s happening thousands of miles away than his own constituents.
davek
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Another chancer who positions himself as the MP for Liverpool FC and does f.a. for his constituents.
Too many of them about.
Safe seat easy 80k a year, little jolly to london on a regular basis
davek
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More like a little jolly up here when they’re at home
orchard
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So, if there are front bench resignations, state the percentage of their successors being FoI.
davek
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Eh?
orchard
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Yeah. I know. I'll use an example:
If 10 shadow front benchers resign, what percentage of their successors will be Friends of Israel?
magicjuan
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But it takes a vote like this for them to show it.
davek
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It won't matter, because if it's 10% or 100% Starmer will continue to be controlled by Israeli interests. He's been in their pocket since before he was an MP when employed as DPP:
Another recipient of Starmer’s clemency was Tzipi Livni, the former Israeli foreign minister who was part of the Israeli war cabinet during the 2008 assault on Gaza that killed an estimated 1,400 Palestinians, 333 of them children. When she arrived in Britain on the invitation of William Hague, some of Starmer’s former comrades from the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers handed him a private application for her arrest on war crimes charges (bolstered by a damning UN report on Israel’s actions). Starmer could have approved the request immediately and brought Livni in for questioning; but instead, he delayed for long enough that the Foreign Office was able issue a certificate designating her visit a ‘special mission’ during which she should be immune from prosecution. Even then, Starmer could have challenged this legally dubious action by pressing ahead with the application. But he was unwilling to do so, as a CPS spokesperson attested: “The DPP has refused to give his consent to the private prosecutor to make an application to the court for an arrest warrant. In considering this application, he has consulted the attorney general, but the decision is his.”
NilSatisOptimum
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Plenty here worry about people thousands of miles away rather than other constituents who live in their neighbor hood.
NilSatisOptimum
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Indeed he should sack those in cabinet who disagree. Collective responsibility when a minister even shadow.
Major difference between being an MP and being a Cabinet Minister is that you sign up to the idea of collective responsibility. If an MP has no interest in being part of a team and still adheres to the silly notion that absolutely everything they believe in will be at the forefront of the agenda and they never have to accept other people's views sometimes trump their own, then they'll always be an MP.
Alas, days with black and white outcomes are rare, and the grey areas are where these people must accept that doing some good, and getting some of their agenda in place, is more important than throwing the towel in every five minutes then whining and stamping their feet at how awful everyone else is.
There will be situations where you simply can't back something and must resign, but surely the best time to do that is when it actually makes a damn of difference, not over something that won't change anything or register where it matters. It's baffling pointless behaviour.
magicjuan
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Conscience maybe? Conviction? Having a heart and not a swinging careerist brick.
Spadge Vernacular
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Who is the other one?
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