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[Rita_Poon]

That is another of those Corbyn critiques - that because he appears on stage at / in the vicinity of / is somehow associated with a person (that "most" people will almost certainly never have heard of) he is somehow the same as the worst things you can say about some other people who associate with that person. Why is it that no other political or media figure is treated like that?

Also "the execrable Ken Loach"? ffs

indeed, the embarrassment he'd kop today...

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

That was the thing with Corbyn though - the vast majority of the "criticisms" that the public came out with were things they'd read / heard rather than developed themselves. He (and Labour) did face huge problems in that respect, but anyone seeking to reverse the course that the country was on - which has led us to this dark place - would have faced that. Hell, even the diet / sugar free reform that Starmer represents is facing many of the same problems despite the fraud and ineptitude of this regime being even more obvious.

I'll be perfectly honest here, many of Corbyn's staunchest supporters that I personally know helped put me, and a great deal many others I know, right off him and labour. Really brought out the worst in some people becoming party members and aligning with momentum.

Literally calling people on Facebook, Twitter or even in the pub c you next tuesdays if they so much as debated or questioned a Corbyn performance or a policy etc. Out came the accusations of being swayed by the media or a 'tory' lol. Super defensive and paranoid stuff. Really cult like behaviour in some quarters.

I know several people swayed to vote 'not Corbyn' by them and their ilk. For the record I gritted my teeth and voted labour. So yeah, maybe not just a leader problem, but the folk associated with him being so obnoxious it doesn't win hearts and minds.

Momentum just came across as weapons by and large in my personal view. Who needs the media to do all the work when his support were so off putting as well?

Add it all together with media attacks he was never going to win an election. I've said before, there are some hideous folk on the left.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That is another of those Corbyn critiques - that because he appears on stage at / in the vicinity of / is somehow associated with a person (that "most" people will almost certainly never have heard of) he is somehow the same as the worst things you can say about some other people who associate with that person. Why is it that no other political or media figure is treated like that?

Also "the execrable Ken Loach"? ffs

He's a protest politician. He's always been a protest politician throughout his career. That's fine for the small number of people who also like to protest. It's not so good if you want to be a prime minister.

 

[tsubaki]

He's a protest politician. He's always been a protest politician throughout his career. That's fine for the small number of people who also like to protest. It's not so good if you want to be a prime minister.

given the state of Prime Ministers since 1997, I think you could make a very good argument that a protest politician might make a better PM than a professional politician would

 

[tsubaki]

I'll be perfectly honest here, many of Corbyn's staunchest supporters that I personally know helped put me, and a great deal many others I know, right off him and labour. Really brought out the worst in some people becoming party members and aligning with momentum.

Literally calling people on Facebook, Twitter or even in the pub c you next tuesdays if they so much as debated or questioned a Corbyn performance or a policy etc. Out came the accusations of being swayed by the media or a 'tory' lol. Super defensive and paranoid stuff. Really cult like behaviour in some quarters.

I know several people swayed to vote 'not Corbyn' by them and their ilk. For the record I gritted my teeth and voted labour. So yeah, maybe not just a leader problem, but the folk associated with him being so obnoxious it doesn't win hearts and minds.

Momentum just came across as weapons by and large in my personal view. Who needs the media to do all the work when his support were so off putting as well?

Add it all together with media attacks he was never going to win an election. I've said before, there are some hideous folk on the left.

there are a lot of people involved in politics who are objectionable like that though, as anyone who has ever been to a political meeting would recognise

 

[Bruce Wayne]

given the state of Prime Ministers since 1997, I think you could make a very good argument that a protest politician might make a better PM than a professional politician would

There seemed to be a big risk that he would be no different. We're largely in the mess we're in because politicians are in "campaign mode" rather than "delivery mode", so they promise the earth and don't give a jot about whether or how they might deliver on their promises. Corbyn has spent his life in campaign mode and hasn't had to actually deliver on anything, and as the article I shared earlier suggested, people weren't at all confident in his ability to deliver on the vast number of promises he made during his campaign (and given the environment in the intervening years it's fair to say that he would have delivered on very few of them, if any).

Trust in politicians is already at a historic low, and while this is undoubtedly due in large part to their continuous lying and cheating, it's also in part due to the seeming lack of accountability politicians have. They promise the earth and don't care if they deliver or not, which creates the impression that all they're really interested in is power for themselves.

 

[tsubaki]

There seemed to be a big risk that he would be no different. We're largely in the mess we're in because politicians are in "campaign mode" rather than "delivery mode", so they promise the earth and don't give a jot about whether or how they might deliver on their promises. Corbyn has spent his life in campaign mode and hasn't had to actually deliver on anything, and as the article I shared earlier suggested, people weren't at all confident in his ability to deliver on the vast number of promises he made during his campaign (and given the environment in the intervening years it's fair to say that he would have delivered on very few of them, if any).

Trust in politicians is already at a historic low, and while this is undoubtedly due in large part to their continuous lying and cheating, it's also in part due to the seeming lack of accountability politicians have. They promise the earth and don't care if they deliver or not, which creates the impression that all they're really interested in is power for themselves.

Honestly I think the crises of the past few years would have allowed him to deliver on an awful lot of them, especially COVID.

We've all seen how important it is to have joined-up, effective services that aren't reliant on "the market", just-in-timeism or "entrepreneurs" and which can be brought in to help when needed. With the ongoing energy, climate change / drought and transport issues the argument for (at least) much greater co-ordination and direction (and preventing gouging) is becoming more and more obvious as well.

His biggest problem would have been those MPs in the PLP who refused to back him.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

there are a lot of people involved in politics who are objectionable like that though, as anyone who has ever been to a political meeting would recognise

Yes, but they really came out of the woodwork for some reason. I don't blame Corbyn personally for that, I certainly don't think he actively encouraged such behaviour.

Most political meetings I attend are quite civilised. How strange.

 

[tsubaki]

Yes, but they really came out of the woodwork for some reason. I don't blame Corbyn personally for that, I certainly don't think he actively encouraged such behaviour.

Most political meetings I attend are quite civilised. How strange.

Paul Mason was in Vauxhall CLP (and may still be), now there is the end of a bell

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I'll be perfectly honest here, many of Corbyn's staunchest supporters that I personally know helped put me, and a great deal many others I know, right off him and labour. Really brought out the worst in some people becoming party members and aligning with momentum.

Literally calling people on Facebook, Twitter or even in the pub c you next tuesdays if they so much as debated or questioned a Corbyn performance or a policy etc. Out came the accusations of being swayed by the media or a 'tory' lol. Super defensive and paranoid stuff. Really cult like behaviour in some quarters.

I know several people swayed to vote 'not Corbyn' by them and their ilk. For the record I gritted my teeth and voted labour. So yeah, maybe not just a leader problem, but the folk associated with him being so obnoxious it doesn't win hearts and minds.

Momentum just came across as weapons by and large in my personal view. Who needs the media to do all the work when his support were so off putting as well?

Add it all together with media attacks he was never going to win an election. I've said before, there are some hideous folk on the left.

Spot on, DGLC. His activists may aswell have been working for any party but Labour.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You watch, parents put their kids in care in the coming months...

 

[gonetomorrow]

Always listen to what Corbyn has to say. Don't always agree.

 

[JammyP]

Fuel poverty is creating a left-out generation that will never recover from the scars | Gordon Brown

Only an emergency budget can prevent millions more families from falling into destitution that will mark their children for decades

www.theguardian.com

Evety word...

 

[DanEFC92]

Spot on, DGLC. His activists may aswell have been working for any party but Labour.

Bit like this lot

 

[Rita_Poon]

Fuel poverty is creating a left-out generation that will never recover from the scars | Gordon Brown

Only an emergency budget can prevent millions more families from falling into destitution that will mark their children for decades

www.theguardian.com

Evety word...

Completely despise the man, but his view rings all to true.