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I genuinely can't get my head around how he has any type of following

He managed to get the media to define him as "the young remainer", and has built a career out of it because they are too lazy to go and speak to real people or indeed to develop arguments with more than two sides.
 
Game changing result a 10% swing to Labour and given the untimely sad death of previous incumbent in ultra super safe Tory seat astoundingly the majority has been cut from very near 19,000 to 4,478. It's what you call double jabbed before the left hook flattens.



 
Game changing result a 10% swing to Labour and given the untimely sad death of previous incumbent in ultra super safe Tory seat astoundingly the majority has been cut from very near 19,000 to 4,478. It's what you call double jabbed before the left hook flattens.




Makes one wonder what would have happened if the leadership had been a bit more arsed about that seat.
 
Glad to see Margaret Hodge standing down. Awful person.

Yeah abysmal. Should have resigned years ago after the Islington child sex abuse stuff that she provably basically ignored.

But unfortunately you have to add the disclaimer 'not because she's Jewish' after criticising her because of some of the abuse she's had from some on the left online.
 
Makes one wonder what would have happened if the leadership had been a bit more arsed about that seat.
Labour is back in the running for government a lot sooner than many had hoped or predicated.

This may or may not mean anything as of yet just some extrapolation as it tallies with current polling which puts Labour on track to win 70 seats in a general election.

So if a 10% is played out, swing to Labour was repeated at a national level these would be the results

CON: 245 (-120)
LAB: 314 (+111)
LDM: 11 (N/C)
SNP: 56 (+8)
GRN: 1 (N/C)
 
Labour is back in the running for government a lot sooner than many had hoped or predicated.

This may or may not mean anything as of yet just some extrapolation as it tallies with current polling which puts Labour on track to win 70 seats in a general election.

So if a 10% is played out, swing to Labour was repeated at a national level these would be the results

CON: 245 (-120)
LAB: 314 (+111)
LDM: 11 (N/C)
SNP: 56 (+8)
GRN: 1 (N/C)

Problem is I think of a lot of the baggage the Tories have is on Johnson personally rather than the actual party, so I can envisage a situation where they bin the idiot, put someone else in and they'll cast themselves as a 'cleanser' of the Johnson sleaze etc.
 
Labour is back in the running for government a lot sooner than many had hoped or predicated.

This may or may not mean anything as of yet just some extrapolation as it tallies with current polling which puts Labour on track to win 70 seats in a general election.

So if a 10% is played out, swing to Labour was repeated at a national level these would be the results

CON: 245 (-120)
LAB: 314 (+111)
LDM: 11 (N/C)
SNP: 56 (+8)
GRN: 1 (N/C)

Perhaps, though I think all they've done is stood there whilst internal Tory feuding and associated leaks is reminding everyone of how little this government cares about other people as long as they are lining their own pockets / getting to do what they want.

A competent opposition would make that unfairness the central theme of their message (given that it both works and is fundamentally true) and use it to critique the many ways in which this government / a post-Johnson government will try to line its own pockets.... but these lot will probably claim it was Starmer's F-speech and the reshuffle winding up Rayner that turned things around.
 
Problem is I think of a lot of the baggage the Tories have is on Johnson personally rather than the actual party, so I can envisage a situation where they bin the idiot, put someone else in and they'll cast themselves as a 'cleanser' of the Johnson sleaze etc.
Of course it isn't, in reality the party has plenty of self serving scum. But it will be spun as you say.
 
Or if more people in that borough bothered to vote. 30% turnout wasn't it?

Indeed. I think the most high profile Labour figure to campaign there was the shadow home secretary, and he was reshuffled afterwards. Had they done a get out the vote effort it might have done something.
 
Game changing result a 10% swing to Labour and given the untimely sad death of previous incumbent in ultra super safe Tory seat astoundingly the majority has been cut from very near 19,000 to 4,478. It's what you call double jabbed before the left hook flattens.

It's a mid-term bye-election, and turnout was about half the size it was at the last GE. The drop in Tory votes is easily identified as the result of thousands of voters staying at home. There's literally no reason for Labour to celebrate this "result" - it's the political equivalent of slicing a shot towards the corner flag when you're twelve yards out from an open goal.

The problem for Labour is that they have so few front bench "big guns" who can be wheeled out for campaigning - Starmer, Rayner, Lammy, Thornberry and co are all massive turn-offs to voters. Bringing Sadiq Kahn out in that area would also have backfired dramatically.

It's terrifying that even when the Tories are up to their armpits in bad press, poor performances and open sleaze, Labour still can't appeal to Mr. Average as an alternative.
 
It's a mid-term bye-election, and turnout was about half the size it was at the last GE. The drop in Tory votes is easily identified as the result of thousands of voters staying at home. There's literally no reason for Labour to celebrate this "result" - it's the political equivalent of slicing a shot towards the corner flag when you're twelve yards out from an open goal.

The problem for Labour is that they have so few front bench "big guns" who can be wheeled out for campaigning - Starmer, Rayner, Lammy, Thornberry and co are all massive turn-offs to voters. Bringing Sadiq Kahn out in that area would also have backfired dramatically.

It's terrifying that even when the Tories are up to their armpits in bad press, poor performances and open sleaze, Labour still can't appeal to Mr. Average as an alternative.

There is a lot of assumed wisdom here, that Labours “big guns” are a massive turn off to voters. It’s like the old “unelectable” argument, in that it boils down to pro-Tory (or anti-Labour) hacks or actual failed political types (I’m looking at you, Tom Harris and Dan Hodges) saying it over and over and over until it sticks.

I mean Lammy, Thornberry and so on are all MPs for a start, so they can’t be that much electoral poison.
 
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