Bungle
Player Valuation: £90m
I don't think he likes the attention mate.
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I don't think he likes the attention mate.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
I'll probably have a go at appraising this feller at the end of the season. I think he needs it, tbh. We're right back in the Moyes era again and I personally dont see how a manager of this nature shifts us into CL spots. The last two seasons (cup runs apart) were unacceptable. But that, imo, has allowed this man a very low bar to negotiate, and though it has been negotiated reasonably well his style and persona leaves a lot to be desired. If you must know I'm 'kin furious at how this feller sees himself vis-a-vis this club. I dont accept AT ALL anyone presenting themselves over and above an institution like this. It's very clear he sees us as a stepping stone and in no way views us as an equal to his own much trumpeted ambitions.
Might sound a bit crazy but I wonder how many managers try to get inside the players heads.AndyC submitted an update to GrandOldTeam's homepage
The Keys to Success - Intensity, Passion, Desire...
The keys to success – Intensity, Passion, Desire.
A summer of squad rebuilding is almost upon us.
The club, media and us the fans will discuss and debate at enormous length what Everton need to offer credible challenges for every competition and trophy next season.
We’ll talk about ‘number one’ goalies, attacking wing backs, centre backs - any number of playing positions where we need to strengthen.
We’ll talk about and we may recruit some of the most attractive names.
Players who can play at a level above that we’ve seen for some years.
But how do you recruit and more importantly maintain intensity, passion and desire?
In recent weeks, especially after the games at West Ham and Swansea, we’ve heard Ronald Koeman quite legitimately and very honestly lament, ‘we didn’t have the right intensity’.
It would be interesting to hear his views on the qualities he looks for in players.
The qualities for him to work with and on in order to create intensity, passion, desire.
What qualities engender an attitude of ‘No way we lose today’.
Look at the champions Chelsea, they have that attitude.
Last season they were a shambles.
What qualities has Antonio Conte instilled and worked on that have swept them to the title?
To a lesser degree, Jose Mourinho has done the same at Old Trafford.
Man United are not great to watch, and they certainly don’t play with the freedom and entertainment value they did under Alex Ferguson.
But they rarely lose, have won a cup, are favourites to win the Europa League and will finish one place ahead of us.
It’s often said that locally born players exude more passion and will run through walls for ‘their’ club and team mates.
It’s probably true; local players will feel more attached to the club and its fan base.
Tom Davies for example appears willing to run through walls for Everton.
But, how does the manager engender that attitude in a squad that will, like most other club squads these days, largely have no actual geographical attachment to the locality?
So how do you instil those qualities... except as a collective?
The players can play and the coaches can continually coach formations and tactics to improve their physical games.
Developing the intensity, passion and desire within the squad to win, win again and win some more is essentially The Job of the manager.
Ronald Koeman had all those qualities as a player in a stellar career.
He’s improved Everton this season.
We’re clearly the best of the rest.
We now need to encroach upon and become ‘the best’.
Ronald, this is arguably the biggest challenge and opportunity of your career.
Ronald, find and sign the players with the qualities to work on and with to develop the intensity, passion and desire.
Ronald, harness those elements into an indomitable spirit to win, win again and win some more.
Do it playing football with style and panache and you won’t need to hanker after the Camp Nou, Bramley Moore will be your Elysium.
I mean I wonder if the Boss has ever showed them his CL winners medal, and asked, 'if you want one of these listen to what I say'.
I wonder if he ever shows them the history of Everton, for instance Dixie, who could fail to be inspired by him.
I wonder if he's ever showed them videos of past glory's and told them this is what's expected.
Wasn't it Howard Kendal who instead of giving a team talk just opened the window of the dressing room and let the players listen to the fans singing.
I suppose what I'm trying to say is do these players know exactly what Everton means, Rom for instance, I'm not sure he does.
Obviously I'm seeing it as a fan, but I think some players fall for Everton (Cahill) and some don't. I wonder why.
If he opened the windows now, he'd hear "Silence is Golden" or "4.33"
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Those that accept mediocrity.......
PickeringBlue
Player Valuation: £950k
I don't understand why this annoys people to be honest. He's being honest. He's Dutch (not English), he played almost 200 games for Barca and won the biggest prize in club football with them, and they are truly entrenched as part of the current European elite teams, they have by all accounts both financial clout and one of the best academies in football. Any manager that tells you the Barcelona job isn't of interest to them is lying. Not great to hear, but the truth.
Ronny will do anything to prove to Barca that he's up the job and that will require success at Everton. The better and faster that success the better for us as fans and him as manager. While its arguable that he "gets Everton", there is not a shred of doubt that he "gets winning".
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Mate, if this feller was anywhere near that level he'd have won something in the last decade. His arrogance has no foundation.
Even if it had I'd be unhappy about it. Wants a better club than this does he? Well let him look at that divvy now at Sunderland with his chin on the floor and see what the future looks like.
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Well, OK
He has won something in the last decade. The Copa Del Rey in Spain with Valencia in 2008. And the Dutch Charity Shield in 2009 with AZ. That's two trophies in the last decade. He also spent over a year without a job after that (13 months), in the last decade, and then a further 17 months without being in a job. That's two and a half years in the last decade without being a manager of a football club. After that - two jobs. One Feyenoord, one Southampton. He was unbeaten in 87 of 114 games at Feyenoord in 3 years, and even if he'd won the league (at a third different club in Holland!) you'd rubbish that achievement cos it's the Dutch league. And then he spent two years at Southampton and when was the last time they won something?
Koeman has brought trophies to 5 out of the 7 clubs he's managed prior to Everton and one of those 7 clubs is Southampton.
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LocalNative
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1. He never said he's better off elsewhere.
2. I don't believe I've heard him use the phrase 'best of the rest' but happy to be proven otherwise. The last few months he's been adamant that we could challenge Arsenal/Man Utd for 5th.
3. Scapegoating individual players? Barkley? It's a ploy by managers to get the best out of players (see Mourinho). He hasn't carried on a debate, he's been asked for the past couple of months the situation with Barkley and given the same answer every time.
4. Of course you'd be happy to walk away from Old Trafford with one point. They've lost once at home all season.
5. Don't be daft.
6. So no manager should have aspirations to one day manage Barcelona and his national country? Klopp, Mourinho and countless other managers have gone on record saying they would like to manage their national teams one day.
Seems to me like this has gone to far along now for you to swallow your pride and admit you're wrong. We're progressing under Koeman - as much as you'd hate to see it happen.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
He's won nothing of significance ever. A title in one of the major leagues? No. A European trophy? No.
This is not a top drawer manager. Everton have indulged him in his efforts to portray homself as a top coach because it looked like we'd made a statement with his signature. In reality he's a third tier manager...first tier would be the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti etc. second tier would be the likes of Emery, Allegri, Tuchel etc.
And you expect Everton, a team that has not won a trophy for over 20 years, has never made it to the champions league group stage, that has finished 11th in the past two seasons, that has a recent history of being paupers, to attract Mourinho, Guardiola? The fact that we were talking with Mourinho is good enough for me, and I am grateful Koeman seems motivated to make a success of this job. He is not as uncaring as you portray him, he often says the right things, more often than not. And he does know Everton are a big club. If he was ignorant about us, he'd have stayed at Southampton.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
I wanted koeman as our manager as long back as 18 months ago. But I do accept this criticism and it is galling to see a manager to perceive the club in this way. My kopite friends slaughtered me for his remarks about lukaku last year. But if the manager is only seeing us as a short term project, the bigger question needs to be asked how can expect players to want to join us knowing koeman will leave us before their contracts are up?
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