The "In Defence of Allardyce Thread "

[Bluewolf]

you're wrong but its up to you

Wow not only original but insightful and a show of your superior intellect

 

[originalgreaserbob]

Wow not only original but insightful and a show of your superior intellect

Actually it does seem insightful. He’s quickly realized that you are not capable of rational discussion. Please though, tell us more about how Sam won us that game via his telepathic powers.

 

[mightymoyes]

Wow not only original but insightful and a show of your superior intellect

just repeated your words you halfwit

 

[TraffordBlue]

To continue @ToffeeDan's ratings. Here are mine

Koeman - 2/10

Made some good purchases in the summer with Pickford being the stand out. I think both Vlasic and Keane will turn out good if given the chance here too. However, made several poor signings, the 2 worst being Klaassen and Martina (as a first choice full back), and he neglected 2 key areas - the striker and left back positions. On the pitch we managed to get through the Europa Qualifiers which has proven to be difficult for English sides - Southampton and West Ham in recent years so will give him credit for that. Once through to the groups we were awful though and it was mistake after mistake from him starting with his tactics on the opening day against Stoke. Pathetic managerial display from him.

Unsworth - 3.5/10

He gave the impression he was going to come in and change a lot of the mistakes that Koeman was making but sadly, Unsworth got a lot of the same things wrong that his predecessor did. Playing players out of position - Sigurdssson up front away at Lyon, and abandoning width in a lot of games contributed to continued poor form resulting in 5 defeats in 7 before the pressure was off for the West Ham game that he won convincingly with Allardyce sat in the stands. Needed to be taken out of the role after managing 2 disgraceful performances within a few days against Atalanta and Southampton.

In his defence, he inherited an awfully imbalanced side from Koeman and had no opportunity to make any transfers so that has to be taken in to account. He also earned us 2 important wins against Watford and West Ham.

Allardyce - 5/10

Came in and turned our fortunes around. Got the team back to basics and contributed to a run of no defeats in 6, keeping 4 clean sheets and earning us our first away win in the league in 11 months. That run could be what keeps us up at the end of the season when things were looking worrying for us. However, since then he has made many mistakes that those against him said he would, starting with unnecessarily negative tactics against West Brom and Bournemouth away, as well as West Brom at home. This has done him no favours and he's also done no better against the top sides since Chelsea at home, than our other failed managers, with a 4-0 hammering against Spurs being a particularly awful display. Has also continued many of the mistakes that the 2 previous managers have like playing too many defensive midfielders, and ignoring the glaringly obvious problem on our left side which he could have changed from the start of January.

Will be interesting to see how he ends up doing for the rest of the season.

 

[Latchford Lark]

There is no defence of Allardyce

 

[TraffordBlue]

5 games against the top 6

Got beat in 4. Drew at anfield and Chelsea. How we never got beat in both is a miracle. We had 1 shot combined in both games. Total fluke

We won't count unsworth games in Europe they were dead rubbers

Yes and 3 of our last 5 games were against sides in the top 5. Do you genuinely think that Unsworth would have got us wins against any of those 3? In the only games we have to go off against good sides, we got a consolation away at Chelsea when the game was over, we were battered in Lyon, and were already beaten at half time by now 7th placed Leicester. That suggests to me that we would have got the same outcome in terms of points as we have under Allardyce in these games against the better sides, except Unsworth wouldn't have got us 2 draws against Chelsea at home and Liverpool away.

In case you hadn't noticed or accepted it as well, we don't tend to do too well against the top sides, especially not away. Haven't beaten Liverpool in any game since 2010, or away since 1999. Haven't beaten Spurs in any game since 2012, or away since 2008, and since the PL began, no team has won more games against an opposition than Man United have against us.

The outcome of the Atalanta game can be dismissed if you want, but you can't have it that the Lyon game was a dead rubber. We still could have gone there and got a result and had Allardyce been in charge with that kind of attitude you know very well that you'd be straight in to slaughter him for not caring about the club or the 3,000+ fans who bothered to turn up to Lyon.

 

[evertonarntwe]

Yes and 3 of our last 5 games were against sides in the top 5. Do you genuinely think that Unsworth would have got us wins against any of those 3? In the only games we have to go off against good sides, we got a consolation away at Chelsea when the game was over, we were battered in Lyon, and were already beaten at half time by now 7th placed Leicester. That suggests to me that we would have got the same outcome in terms of points as we have under Allardyce in these games against the better sides, except Unsworth wouldn't have got us 2 draws against Chelsea at home and Liverpool away.

In case you hadn't noticed or accepted it as well, we don't tend to do too well against the top sides, especially not away. Haven't beaten Liverpool in any game since 2010, or away since 1999. Haven't beaten Spurs in any game since 2012, or away since 2008, and since the PL began, no team has won more games against an opposition than Man United have against us.

The outcome of the Atalanta game can be dismissed if you want, but you can't have it that the Lyon game was a dead rubber. We still could have gone there and got a result and had Allardyce been in charge with that kind of attitude you know very well that you'd be straight in to slaughter him for not caring about the club or the 3,000+ fans who bothered to turn up to Lyon.

I' not for unsowrth though I'm just comparing his record again Sams.

He' in the top 20 paid managers in the world and he is clueless

Id rather we kept unsworth for a little while longer and got a proper replacement then shitting it and getting this oath

 

[Bluewolf]

Actually it does seem insightful. He’s quickly realized that you are not capable of rational discussion. Please though, tell us more about how Sam won us that game via his telepathic powers.

Actually I've pretty much stated in detail my issues with the west ham game.

So please tell me how unsworth went from a playing style that conceded 20 goals in 7 matches and scoring 8. Being in charge of our worst ever game in Europe and in the leauge. To a playing style that was totaly different with a different philosophy that was more akin to oh I dont know say sam allerdyce who jusy so happened to be around finch farm sorting out his contract with us. Also a style that allerdyce implemented in other games at home.

Strange that unsworth waited till allerdyce had been signed on as our new manager to bust out this new revolutionary way of playing. It's...it's almost as if he had a bit of help.

Fact is all the allerdyce haters can't bare the fact that unsworth wasn't the driving force behind that win. Not because of some loyalty to unsworth or even because you believe it. No, it's purely down to the fact that if you look at the facts and admit the truth that allerdyce had something to do with the west ham match. Then you loose the main stick you've all been beating him with and have to admit unsworth was worse.

I'll wait for your smart ass reply seeing as you cant think of a actually credible retort.

 

[Bluewolf]

just repeated your words you halfwit

Yeah that was the joke genius lol

 

[Frang]

its very interesting that big sam is shipping out 2 of our biggest signings of the summer...

tells us what we need to know about the direction Koeman has us going in.

for what its worth, I don't think Sandro or Klassen are up to Premier league football.

I watched the pre season games and been to all our European ties home and away, where they both got plenty of minutes and failed to show anything like the sort of presence needed for a premier league midfield and attack.

Sam shipping them out confirms my belief.

if Koeman was still here, he would of been buying in yet more tosh to try and cover up these two mistakes. god knows where we would have ended up.

 

[Frang]

having said that ^^ I do not think we have strengthened much during this window.

we have shipped out, Barkley, Mirallas, lennon, Sandro and possibly Klassen.

alltho we had a 'bloated squad' that is a fair bit of ballast gone.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if schinderlin goes late in the window too. will be telling if he's nowhere near the squad tonight

 

[Saint Domingo]

He can’t seem to win. Koeman and Walsh were panned for the summer recruitment. Allardyce comes in and attempts to reverse it and gets criticised for it.

He’s made mistakes with us and the football is poor but the squad he was dealt with the injury crisis was probably the worst in the prem.

With Coleman Funes Mori snd Baines our we didn’t have a fit defender of premier league quality. Our strike force was the worst in the league. That is a relegation formula whichever way you look at it. His initial burst when he came in may have just saved us.

I honestly can’t overstate just how crap the fit playing squad was when Allardyce came in.

 

[Bungle]

its very interesting that big sam is shipping out 2 of our biggest signings of the summer...

tells us what we need to know about the direction Koeman has us going in.

for what its worth, I don't think Sandro or Klassen are up to Premier league football.

I watched the pre season games and been to all our European ties home and away, where they both got plenty of minutes and failed to show anything like the sort of presence needed for a premier league midfield and attack.

Sam shipping them out confirms my belief.

if Koeman was still here, he would of been buying in yet more tosh to try and cover up these two mistakes. god knows where we would have ended up.

Well that's clearly a lie isn't it Frank?

This is just one post from the 3 pages worth of posts you made during the Atalanta game https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...rton-thursday-14-9.98855/page-35#post-5769010

And just 1 of the posts from the 2 pages worth of posts from the Limassol game https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/...l-el-6pm-07-12-17.100881/page-44#post-5983506

 

[Timak]

He can’t seem to win. Koeman and Walsh were panned for the summer recruitment. Allardyce comes in and attempts to reverse it and gets criticised for it.

He’s made mistakes with us and the football is poor but the squad he was dealt with the injury crisis was probably the worst in the prem.

With Coleman Funes Mori snd Baines our we didn’t have a fit defender of premier league quality. Our strike force was the worst in the league. That is a relegation formula whichever way you look at it. His initial burst when he came in may have just saved us.

I honestly can’t overstate just how crap the fit playing squad was when Allardyce came in.

But he has diagnosed the wrong problems.

Problems are a lack of balance to the midfield and a lack of width on the left.

Need a left back and a passing central midfielder.

Get those two and suddenly we'd find we had the ability to create chances going forward and get more out of our attacking players.

Instead we signed a striker from a poor league used to playing in an ultra attacking team who play a lot of crosses in and a right sided winger/attacker for nearly £50m.

 

[Saint Domingo]

But he has diagnosed the wrong problems.

Problems are a lack of balance to the midfield and a lack of width on the left.

Need a left back and a passing central midfielder.

Get those two and suddenly we'd find we had the ability to create chances going forward and get more out of our attacking players.

Instead we signed a striker from a poor league used to playing in an ultra attacking team who play a lot of crosses in and a right sided winger/attacker for nearly £50m.

That is one of the problems but how can you look at that front line and defence and not think it needed immediate improvement?

Martinez and Koeman screwed us. Martinez dismantled a top 6 squad to play finishing school with 4 young stars. Koeman then sold those 4 leaving us with Martinez’s dregs and his flops. A certain concoction for relegation. Allardyce and Unsworth have had to fall back on the academy and now desperately try and get some senior players in in the window.