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[dannyboy]

Sickening.

 

[dannyboy]

People can call Corbynista´s deluded all day long but these guys are equally as culpable. If not worse.

 

[Milkman]

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People can call Corbynista´s deluded all day long but these guys are equally as culpable. If not worse.

Utterly insane. The levels of delusion of these people. Take a look at the results ffs.

 

[tsubaki]

If you aren’t electable there’s no point in any of it.

This country is not one which attaches itself to left wing politics. Whether that’s right or wrong is frankly irrelevant.

Labour should be a party to the left of the Conservatives which is a real option, they are not and won’t be as long as they lead with socialist policies.

The problem with this analysis is that a lot of what is now left wing politics never used to be. Thatcher led a government which had a nationalised railway, free university tuition and a Corporation Tax rate of 29%. The 1950s Tories built council homes on a huge scale (albeit following Labour).

 

[NorthernBlue]

Two serfs already walked into work celebrating like they’ve won a footy game.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

The problem with this analysis is that a lot of what is now left wing politics never used to be. Thatcher led a government which had a nationalised railway, free university tuition and a Corporation Tax rate of 29%. The 1950s Tories built council homes on a huge scale (albeit following Labour).

Thatcher's second government was the one that set about ripping up the postwar consensus. The problem we have in Britain is that people want both European levels of services but want to pay US levels of taxes, thus governments (or ones that want to survive anyway) have to get creative with funding. IE more borrowing, more PFI, more outsourcing, more focusing on bare minimum provision.

All of that pushes the centre ground further to the right.

There was a government that fairly successfully balanced this and even pushed the tide back a little. But they also made some fairly colossal mis-steps which is what they seem to be remembered for.

 

[coollino]

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Sickening.

Ed Sheeran with some dancehall on in the background

 

[Tubey]

If you aren’t electable there’s no point in any of it.

This country is not one which attaches itself to left wing politics. Whether that’s right or wrong is frankly irrelevant.

Labour should be a party to the left of the Conservatives which is a real option, they are not and won’t be as long as they lead with socialist policies.

Which is what I've said for years. There's no socialist tradition in this country - none. You have to go back to 1945 for a semblance of one.

The country is centre-right. The working class don't see themselves as poor - they are aspirational. They don't want free broadband - they'd rather pay for decent broadband than be given a one size fits all crap one for free. There are also thousands of things more important to them that could be spent money on.

This is the medicine Labour needed in my view, desperately needed. Momentum needs scrubbing out.

For those fearing a hard right Tory reign, it could happen, but if it does Corbyn is one of the prime architects of it. My personal view is it won't - I think Johnson will spend quite heavily and move centre ground to be seen as a success after austerity; he has to to counteract the harm Brexit will do him in the long run. The hard right no longer matter as much with that majority - as long as Brexit is delivered the country will revert to type and go centre-right again.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Dennis Skinner

Bowing out to a Tory. Truly heartbreaking.

What did Labour do for this constituency when they were in power for 13 years, what industry was replaced from what was lost in the 80s, far too much short term Westminster power thinking goes on, not just politicians but it's regurgitated here and every where.
This has been brewing since 97, before even, and ever since EU referendum was unleashed it was only a matter of time before the electorate bit harder. They have looked everywhere for answers and now they look to the right!

 

[coollino]

Which is what I've said for years. There's no socialist tradition in this country - none. You have to go back to 1945 for a semblance of one.

The country is centre-right. The working class don't see themselves as poor - they are aspirational. They don't want free broadband - they'd rather pay for decent broadband than be given a one size fits all crap one for free. There are also thousands of things more important to them that could be spent money on.

This is the medicine Labour needed in my view, desperately needed. Momentum needs scrubbing out.

For those fearing a hard right Tory reign, it could happen, but if it does Corbyn is one of the prime architects of it. My personal view is it won't - I think Johnson will spend quite heavily and move centre ground to be seen as a success after austerity; he has to to counteract the harm Brexit will do him in the long run. The hard right no longer matter as much with that majority - as long as Brexit is delivered the country will revert to type and go centre-right again.

The only, and really only, ok thing about this is Johnson could now ignore the hard right Tories.

 

[SteRobbo84]

'Labour would have been successful if they'd have backed Leave'

No. The idiot racists with a Brexit stiffy would have trusted Tories over Labour to deliver it. The remainers would have gone for the only Remain option in Lib Dems

 

[Tubey]

The only, and really only, ok thing about this is Johnson could now ignore the hard right Tories.

Strangely, if you want Labour in power next time, you're sort of hoping he doesn't and he goes more extreme. If all you care about it power.

But realistically I think Labour have to accept they'll probably lose next time too, so all of us have to hope for Johnson to show restraint. I think his team will advocate just that.

 

[Pettifogger]

What a depressing thing to wake up to.

Unfortunately, I saw this coming & I disagree with some of the reasoning above.

Labour threw this away due to their stance on Brexit.

The tragic irony is that Corbyn, a life long EEC/EU sceptic (as was his mentor Tony Benn) didn’t have the balls to stand up for his beliefs, while Boris Johnson (originally a Remainer, as are the vast majority of tories) spotted an opportunity to grab votes & look where we are now!

Corbyn should have purged the party of the likes of Starmer & position the party behind leave, deal or no deal. We’d be waking up to a very different result now. We’d be getting out of that Neo-Lib nightmare, but wouldn’t be about to bend over to Trump.

I guess we can pray that Trump is impeached or shot soon. We’re F****D!

LOL why do you care about Trump? You’re arguably the most significant empire in world history and you’re melting down about a leader across an ocean?

 

[zzr45]

Dennis Skinner

Bowing out to a Tory. Truly heartbreaking.

Massive scumbag gone.

 

[Charro]

Well it’s official, Barrow-in-Furness has turned blue as I guessed for the first time in 27 YEARS.

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Missus lives up there.

It’s no surprise to her. Typical northern working class town the tories targeted.

They convinced people Corbyn would’ve shut down the ship yards and they all fell for it.

Will be one of the first towns to get completely abandoned by the tories.