Well it’s official, Barrow-in-Furness has turned blue as I guessed for the first time in 27 YEARS.
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Exit poll
386 Tory
191 Labour
Tory majority of 81
So **** it, I'm gonna risk this rant... it's been brewing for a while...
**** off, Jeremy Corbyn, you hopeless old tatterdemalion, and take your useless ****ing coterie with you.
You've wasted years, lost everything you've tried, and are the single biggest cause of the Tory win.
Should've gone 3 years ago. Go now.
People will say "I bet you want Blair". No. Blair might be the opposite of Corbyn, but he's not the only alternative to him. The mistake Labour made is thinking a bad person being good at politics means everybody good at politics is bad.
People will say "the media is biased". Yes. But that's the environment Labour leaders always operate in. Complaining about it is like trawler captains complaining the sea is wet. Yep. Learn to thrive in those conditions, or get off the boat.
People will say "they treated him worse than any previous leader". They did. Cos he was **** at working the press, had a history of opinions that could be easily made to look awful, was inept on antisemitism, shifty on Brexit and cantankerous on TV.
People will say "no way is he racist". Perhaps. But if people accused me of antisemitism, I'd be able to clearly defend myself, demonstrate my credentials, and put in place a strategy to stop accusations. He couldn't. If he's not antisemitic, he's inept.
People will say "voters love him in person". I'm sure. But we've been in the age of broadcasting for 80 years. What the hell use is being warm and cuddly to 600 people in a field, when you come over badly to 60 million people on TV?
People will say "he grew the party". He did. But he lost elections.
People will say "members love him". They do. But members are a fraction of all voters.
People will say "his manifesto is great". Maybe. But the more radical your are, the better salesman you need to be. And he's crap.
People will say "who would have done better?" Literally every other Leader of the Opposition EVER. Specifically Jess Phillips, Kier Starmer, David Lammy, Angela Rayner, Laura Piddock, Yvette Cooper, or Tom Watson before you drove him and a dozen more out.
People will say "you're a centrist, just join LibDems". Yes I am, vaguely, and no I won't. I'd vote for Corbyn's agenda with a huge smile on my face (and still did vote for it due to the stakes) if it was led by someone competent and appealing.
People will say "Brexit broke traditional parties". True. But Leave all voted Tory. Why didn't Remain all vote Labour? Cos our leader is divisive, inept, shambolic, uninspiring, and too easy to besmirch as an antisemite, terrorist sympathiser, and Leave voter.
People will say "his Brexit plan made sense". Maybe. But he had to be dragged to it over the course of 3 years, resisting every step, giving mixed messages and looking woozy and lost; by the time he had a plan, nobody trusted him.
People will say "Tories told thousands of lies". Yep. If only somebody had seen this happen before and put together a Rapid Response Unit to kill lies in seconds. Oh yeah, Blair did that and won. Corbyn didn't and lost. Just cos Blair did it, doesn't make it bad.
People will say "the PLP mutinied against him". They did. They aren't idiots. They could see within weeks Corbyn was a disaster, cos they'd met him. 172 wanted him to go. 40 wanted him to stay. Pretty much the ratio of voters who wanted him to stay / go. MPs were right.
People will say "we had to let him try". We did let him try. For years. He lost the referendum in 2016. He lost the election in 2017. He lost the EU elections in 2019. He's lost again. The only thing he's won was "most unpopular Leader of Opposition in history".
People will say "the soft left didn't help him". They did. They proposed him as leader. They elected him leader. They voted for him in elections, even though they knew he was ****e. What didn't help him was the hard left telling them to go and join LibDems every day.
People will say "he was democratically elected". Yes. But members are fanatical, by definition. They don't think like average voters. Letting a fan club manage a band is a stupid idea. They'll book Wembley for 4 nights for Steve Brookstein, cos they don't realise he's ****.
And I'm sure people will say rude things to me. They'll pick apart every word and quibble every sentiment. They'll demand I "prove it", or send me links showing how wrong I am.
Sick of that ****. We lost, millions will suffer, and you're still defending the primary cause.
Jeremy Corbyn has been, from the moment he was elected leader, the Tory party's wet dream. Unless you drink a LOT of Kool Aid, you could predict this fiasco years ago.
If he couldn't see it coming, he's a moron. If he could, he's a selfish prick for not quitting.
Time to go now. Hand over to whatever MPs are left after this car-crash, get to your allotment, and let some bloody professionals try to save what they can from the Tory disaster you've bequeathed upon an undeserving nation
386 Tory
191 Labour
Tory majority of 81
So **** it, I'm gonna risk this rant... it's been brewing for a while...
**** off, Jeremy Corbyn, you hopeless old tatterdemalion, and take your useless ****ing coterie with you.
You've wasted years, lost everything you've tried, and are the single biggest cause of the Tory win.
Should've gone 3 years ago. Go now.
People will say "I bet you want Blair". No. Blair might be the opposite of Corbyn, but he's not the only alternative to him. The mistake Labour made is thinking a bad person being good at politics means everybody good at politics is bad.
People will say "the media is biased". Yes. But that's the environment Labour leaders always operate in. Complaining about it is like trawler captains complaining the sea is wet. Yep. Learn to thrive in those conditions, or get off the boat.
People will say "they treated him worse than any previous leader". They did. Cos he was **** at working the press, had a history of opinions that could be easily made to look awful, was inept on antisemitism, shifty on Brexit and cantankerous on TV.
People will say "no way is he racist". Perhaps. But if people accused me of antisemitism, I'd be able to clearly defend myself, demonstrate my credentials, and put in place a strategy to stop accusations. He couldn't. If he's not antisemitic, he's inept.
People will say "voters love him in person". I'm sure. But we've been in the age of broadcasting for 80 years. What the hell use is being warm and cuddly to 600 people in a field, when you come over badly to 60 million people on TV?
People will say "he grew the party". He did. But he lost elections.
People will say "members love him". They do. But members are a fraction of all voters.
People will say "his manifesto is great". Maybe. But the more radical your are, the better salesman you need to be. And he's crap.
People will say "who would have done better?" Literally every other Leader of the Opposition EVER. Specifically Jess Phillips, Kier Starmer, David Lammy, Angela Rayner, Laura Piddock, Yvette Cooper, or Tom Watson before you drove him and a dozen more out.
People will say "you're a centrist, just join LibDems". Yes I am, vaguely, and no I won't. I'd vote for Corbyn's agenda with a huge smile on my face (and still did vote for it due to the stakes) if it was led by someone competent and appealing.
People will say "Brexit broke traditional parties". True. But Leave all voted Tory. Why didn't Remain all vote Labour? Cos our leader is divisive, inept, shambolic, uninspiring, and too easy to besmirch as an antisemite, terrorist sympathiser, and Leave voter.
People will say "his Brexit plan made sense". Maybe. But he had to be dragged to it over the course of 3 years, resisting every step, giving mixed messages and looking woozy and lost; by the time he had a plan, nobody trusted him.
People will say "Tories told thousands of lies". Yep. If only somebody had seen this happen before and put together a Rapid Response Unit to kill lies in seconds. Oh yeah, Blair did that and won. Corbyn didn't and lost. Just cos Blair did it, doesn't make it bad.
People will say "the PLP mutinied against him". They did. They aren't idiots. They could see within weeks Corbyn was a disaster, cos they'd met him. 172 wanted him to go. 40 wanted him to stay. Pretty much the ratio of voters who wanted him to stay / go. MPs were right.
People will say "we had to let him try". We did let him try. For years. He lost the referendum in 2016. He lost the election in 2017. He lost the EU elections in 2019. He's lost again. The only thing he's won was "most unpopular Leader of Opposition in history".
People will say "the soft left didn't help him". They did. They proposed him as leader. They elected him leader. They voted for him in elections, even though they knew he was ****e. What didn't help him was the hard left telling them to go and join LibDems every day.
People will say "he was democratically elected". Yes. But members are fanatical, by definition. They don't think like average voters. Letting a fan club manage a band is a stupid idea. They'll book Wembley for 4 nights for Steve Brookstein, cos they don't realise he's ****.
And I'm sure people will say rude things to me. They'll pick apart every word and quibble every sentiment. They'll demand I "prove it", or send me links showing how wrong I am.
Sick of that ****. We lost, millions will suffer, and you're still defending the primary cause.
Jeremy Corbyn has been, from the moment he was elected leader, the Tory party's wet dream. Unless you drink a LOT of Kool Aid, you could predict this fiasco years ago.
If he couldn't see it coming, he's a moron. If he could, he's a selfish prick for not quitting.
Time to go now. Hand over to whatever MPs are left after this car-crash, get to your allotment, and let some bloody professionals try to save what they can from the Tory disaster you've bequeathed upon an undeserving nation
hirons11
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People do choose to be ignorant.
....you’ll feel better for getting that off your chest, it’s largely what lots of traditional Labour supporters feel this morning.
The sad thing is that this was all so predictable, I’ve been saying it on here for a long, long time but the Corbynists make the most noise and provide diatribe for those disagreeing with their views. This Labour Party lost this election. They increasingly are made up of glorified shop stewards without the intellect to hold high office.
i kept saying they ‘represent the few and not the many‘. I was right, they were wrong.
Problem is, they’ll replace Corbyn with another Corbynist. It’s hard to see things changing much because the lunatics are running the asylum. This Conservative Government is dangerous. This Labour Party is useless, they’ve taken it into the political wilderness and it’s difficult to see it finding its way back.
The English hate foreigners more than they love their kids.
Maltese_Falcon
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VS the English love foreigners more than they love their kids ?
Yeah. Obviously that, you utter belm.
Well the tories got absolutely hammered in the EU elections, learned from it and moved on to win.
Labour has now lost 4 General elections and learned what?, well according to Corbyn and co they want to carry on with more of the same.
We have more or less lost Scotland, most of Wales and a good chunk of the north, and outside of the cities are virtually not on the map.
Carry on like this and the Labour party will become as relevant as the Liberals are.
I was fuming with that Corbyn interview after he won, never been a hater of him, didn't think he was leadership material but basically ok .
He is dangerous to the future of the Labour party never mind anything else. everybody but his leadership , his cabinet,his policies to blame according to him
so let's carry on, i will make sure we will have a leader and policies that reflexed what we have stood up for, yes that went down well mate you just carry on
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The whole future of the party is at stake this fella cannot be let anywhere near the direction of it in the future.
Labour has now lost 4 General elections and learned what?, well according to Corbyn and co they want to carry on with more of the same.
We have more or less lost Scotland, most of Wales and a good chunk of the north, and outside of the cities are virtually not on the map.
Carry on like this and the Labour party will become as relevant as the Liberals are.
I was fuming with that Corbyn interview after he won, never been a hater of him, didn't think he was leadership material but basically ok .
He is dangerous to the future of the Labour party never mind anything else. everybody but his leadership , his cabinet,his policies to blame according to him
so let's carry on, i will make sure we will have a leader and policies that reflexed what we have stood up for, yes that went down well mate you just carry on
.The whole future of the party is at stake this fella cannot be let anywhere near the direction of it in the future.
Billy Dean
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I’d probably go for Starmer as leader
What a depressing night. Brexit and the media vilification of Jeremy Corbyn have taken a heavy toll. Really interested to see which path Labour choose to try and come back from this.
st.domingo
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No dog in this particular hunt (as an expat, I didn't vote), but good rant - seems fairly spot on to me..
I thought they'd win, but not that resoundingly
i pray for the NHS. Trump and the pharmaceutical firms in America are rubbing their hands right now
i pray for the NHS. Trump and the pharmaceutical firms in America are rubbing their hands right now
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