Current Affairs The General Election

[davek]

Yougov have deliberately underestimated the under 35 turnout and that is why their percentages are way off the mark. They've completely ignored 2017 turnout and the under 35s voting intentions.Loaded/weighted it towards older voters. They are treating 2017 as an aberration without making it clear why? That is if they have a reason.. Or is it ti fit in with their 'perceived' wisdom/narrative. Yougov are hoping that this doesn't come back to bite them on the backside and that's why they've slightly backtracked and say it will be close.

They've even gone against their own methodology.

"MRP Methodology, Tables and Figures Prepared for YouGov on 10 December 2019 by • Benjamin Lauderdale (University College London) • Jack Blumenau (University College London) This report summarises the current electoral situation in the United Kingdom in advance of the general election that is due to be held on 12 December 2019. The estimates provided here are based on updated versions of the modelling techniques that we used in the YouGov 2017 UK General Election Model, which correctly predicted the hung parliament and 93% of individual seats. This approach allows us to not just calculate national vote shares, but also to use demographic, geographic and political patterns in support for different parties across the UK to assess their relative performance in each parliamentary constituency".

A hung parliament is the most likely outcome and maybe some surprises like Raab losing seat and maybe even Johnson.

Mate, Ive said all through this election campaign and before it in fact: YouGov is a BS polling organisation completely skewed and completely weaponised for the Tories.

Current Affairs - The General Election

Said article here.

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Current Affairs - The General Election

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Current Affairs - The General Election

Dirty BBC.

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Current Affairs - The General Election

Two day blitz ahead. They have had a massive blitz over the last few days. Its had no effect or a negative affect. Their feeling was, the vote leave strategy would see a late swing to them. No such luck currently. Absolute panic in CCHQ especially as this NHS story doesn't go away and...

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[tsubaki]

 

[Catfish Blues]

Sorry mate but your wrong to assume that its our fault.

The Labour Manifesto is gloriously put together, but hardly discussed because the Tories controlled the agenda.

Never forget the Tories and their powerfull wealthy backers control the mass media, even the BBC.

It is a tragedy to witness so many ordinary folk that have been so mislead and brainwashed. It doesn't matter who leads the Labour Party or what it's policies are, they will always be misrepresented by the media

OK mate, I stand corrected. You're right, it's far better to ignore any failings of ours, so we should just all agree it's not fair, and let the Tories keep winning elections.

The majority of the media will always favour them, they've run a lacklustre campaign, which is worth probably 5/10. We've run a half-decent campaign, probably a 6 or 7 /10. But, to overcome both the media bias and some underlying distrust of our policies in the 40+ part of the population, we need to do better, and quite a bit better.

But by all means, blame everyone else and accept zero responsibility.

 

[Jamiednm]

Sorry mate but your wrong to assume that its our fault.

The Labour Manifesto is gloriously put together, but hardly discussed because the Tories controlled the agenda.

Never forget the Tories and their powerfull wealthy backers control the mass media, even the BBC.

It is a tragedy to witness so many ordinary folk that have been so mislead and brainwashed. It doesn't matter who leads the Labour Party or what it's policies are, they will always be misrepresented by the media

LOL.

What about Labour’s tired propagandising about the ‘Tories selling the NHS’? It’s all they ever say. They’ve been saying it for decades. The Tories must’ve sold the entirety of the NHS 5 times over by now.

What about Labour’s demonising if anyone who isn’t skint? If you earn a half decent wage, Labour think you’re a crook. God forbid people get rich, create jobs and massively contribute to the economy.

Maybe we wouldn’t have had to endure 10 years of austerity if Labour hadn’t quite literally written a note for Cameron and Osborne in 2010 saying “There’s no money left”.

Labour piss money up the wall on half-backed policies, designed to make them look good but making zero economic sense. Their PFI brainchild was a real winner wasn’t it? Labour can never be trusted on the economy, even more so now with Corbyn and McDonnell plotting their Venezuela-style ‘paradise’.

Once he gets beat again tomorrow, maybe the cowards in the Labour Party will gather enough courage to oust that dangerous old fool from his leadership, and the PLP will be able to reboot and start doing the job on a competent opposition, because this is the worst Tory party in a long time and they’re still streets ahead of the laughing stock that is Labour.

 

[Tubey]

That'd be a lovely result.

 

[Milkman]

I feel the same sickening blend of dread and optimism that I do before a derby, but x10000.

 

[PhilM]

What about Labour’s tired propagandising about the ‘Tories selling the NHS’? It’s all they ever say. They’ve been saying it for decades. The Tories must’ve sold the entirety of the NHS 5 times over by now.

Without wanting to discredit the claims that the Conservatives may push the privatisation of parts of the NHS, I do always find the argument quite funny.

Like you say, it is something that has been said over and over again, so I do wonder why they haven't done yet if that's their real intention - thought, it might be now.

 

[thirdmantackle]

Without wanting to discredit the claims that the Conservatives may push the privatisation of parts of the NHS, I do always find the argument quite funny.

Like you say, it is something that has been said over and over again, so I do wonder why they haven't done yet if that's their real intention - thought, it might be now.

Trade deal negotiations coming up with the US
What do you think they'll want out of it?

 

[PhilM]

Trade deal negotiations coming up with the US
What do you think they'll want out of it?

Like I said, I'm not saying that it may not be the case now just that because it's been said so many times it's hard to gauge if it's truth or rhetoric.

 

[tsubaki]

Sorry mate but your wrong to assume that its our fault.

The Labour Manifesto is gloriously put together, but hardly discussed because the Tories controlled the agenda.

Never forget the Tories and their powerfull wealthy backers control the mass media, even the BBC.

It is a tragedy to witness so many ordinary folk that have been so mislead and brainwashed. It doesn't matter who leads the Labour Party or what it's policies are, they will always be misrepresented by the media

They will, but there are glaring issues that first arose in 2017 which have not been properly dealt with. The absolute worst is national security - Labour (and Corbyn) got flayed on these in 2017, and have not done anything to even try to solve it.

This is unforgiveable because the Tory record on national security and defence issues is absolutely horrific - service personnel deliberately sacked so they wouldn't get a full pension, huge waste in procurement, the rip-off that is defence housing (the cost of which is about to go through the roof and where service personnel are routinely scammed), the complete failure of foreign policy in general (Iran, Saudi etc) and the response to the Russians in particular, which has been basically to do nothing even after they killed hundreds of EU citizens, attempted to murder a dissident and then left the nerve agent lying around.

Labour should have spent all of 2018 getting Corbyn to visit, understand and talk about these issues as this is one of the major issues people cite (especially working class people) when saying why they might not vote for Labour.

Instead they've done virtually nothing to challenge any of it.

 

[Socrates]

The respected journalist and lifelong supporter of the Conservative Party, Peter Oborne, has made the shock announcement that he will be voting for Labour in the upcoming General Election as is unable to justify the party’s “lies” any longer and believes Boris Johnson is intent on ‘destroying the country he loves‘.

Writing in an article for the Guardian, Oborne – who previously worked as the pro-Tory Daily Telegraph’s Chief Polical commentator and has voted Tory all his life – stated that “Something horrible has happened‘ to the Conservative Party under the leadership of Boris Johnson:

“Something horrible has happened. The Conservative party lies. It cheats. It bullies. It’s not the wise, gentle, decent party of the postwar era.”

Oborne goes on to explain that “The Conservativism I understand is about public duty, generosity, the instinct to conserve what is good in our society; the importance of the rule of law and of institutions“, adding:


“Johnson has become the leader of a project – his adviser Dominic Cummings is an important part of this – to destroy Conservatism. This is why during his brief term as prime minister Boris Johnson has attacked parliament, mocked the rule of law, abused the monarchy, and shown a total disregard for the truth.”

The former Telegraph journalist then goes on to list further examples of Johnson’s failures:

“He suppressed a report about Russian interference in British politics, then lied about the reasons. In the past few days, the prime minister has resorted to an ugly racism towards EU nationals in a last-ditch attempt to win votes. In a genuflection to Rupert Murdoch, he’s calling the BBC licence fee into question. Johnson’s Conservatives are a revolutionary sect and should be understood as such.”

 

[havrey0123]

If the election was next week labour would probably take it, oh well to bad it's tomorrow.

Corbyn believes Al baghdadi should of been put on trial, it's the way he thinks which is why you can't trust him. He would probably end MI5 saying it's not needed.

 

[Tubey]

I feel the same sickening blend of dread and optimism that I do before a derby, but x10000.

To be honest, as a Labour voter you should be optimistic.

The "Shy Tory" factor won't be one this time - they're all openly on the right wing bandwagon. There's no hidden voteshare for Johnson - he either has a 9/10 point lead or he doesn't.

Any surprise surges tomorrow go the way of Labour.

I think we're in hung parliament territory now.

 

[summerisle]

You know what you have to do.

 

[PhilM]

I think we're in hung parliament territory now.

That's where my money is. The Conservatives have had a shocking week, and the Lib Dem haven't made any real ground.