Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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Or teach people how to budget, cook for themselves and so on. Unfortunately labour's thing is simply to throw (the rich's) money at people and act all virtuous. [Poor language removed] off Jeremy you pious whopper.

I read that the other day, pretty much saying a very similar thing. The country can no longer cook the basics and uses TV chefs as a benchmark of what they should be cooking. Actually teaching kids at school how to cook simple meals would help massively (the amount of cheesecakes, cakes etc I've seen made while working with kids is mad) as well as actually helping those that have fallen through the cracks.
 

I read that the other day, pretty much saying a very similar thing. The country can no longer cook the basics and uses TV chefs as a benchmark of what they should be cooking. Actually teaching kids at school how to cook simple meals would help massively (the amount of cheesecakes, cakes etc I've seen made while working with kids is mad) as well as actually helping those that have fallen through the cracks.

This is a good article, and worth reading in full (Chakrabortty's usually are).

No surprise of course that Davison's biggest champion is John McDonnell
 
Forget the fact that the UK's 1,000 richest people's wealth has gone up by 48 billion in the last year - it's all about skint people not knowing how to cook properly.
 
In light of that Guardian article, it is instructive to compare the three main parties' manifestos by doing a key word search for 'food'



 
Forget the fact that the UK's 1,000 richest people's wealth has gone up by 48 billion in the last year - it's all about skint people not knowing how to cook properly.
So we should just ignore that people are lacking a life skill? Why are fast food shops more likely to open in areas with levels of high deprivation? What knock on effects does that have for the rest of society?

It’s not saying that it’s an idea that would immediately end poverty, but it is something that starts to address issues that exist - we can reduce the cost of eating for people if they learn how to cook at school, likelihood of diabetes is reduced.

It’s better than saying there’s an extra zero on every benefit statement.

The same is arguably happening in physical education - there’s a lack of it meaning that people now think to get fit they need to go to a gym. There’s so much that could be done by addressing the root causes of these issues much earlier on, or in many cases bringing back ‘life’ subjects that were phased out for willy waving elements of the curriculum.
 
So we should just ignore that people are lacking a life skill? Why are fast food shops more likely to open in areas with levels of high deprivation? What knock on effects does that have for the rest of society?

It’s not saying that it’s an idea that would immediately end poverty, but it is something that starts to address issues that exist - we can reduce the cost of eating for people if they learn how to cook at school, likelihood of diabetes is reduced.

It’s better than saying there’s an extra zero on every benefit statement.

The same is arguably happening in physical education - there’s a lack of it meaning that people now think to get fit they need to go to a gym. There’s so much that could be done by addressing the root causes of these issues much earlier on, or in many cases bringing back ‘life’ subjects that were phased out for willy waving elements of the curriculum.

This is absolutely 100% spot on. For one thing, giving people better information and educating them regarding food preparation, physical fitness etc isn't an alternative to the welfare system, it's something which all schools should teach as a matter of urgency.

Meal preparation, including shopping for food, choosing the right ingredients, and basic cooking should be taught to every pupil, and physical education should be more about keeping healthy and fit, and eradicating bad habits which lead to obesity and diseases. Team games etc have their place, but if my schooldays are anything to go by, it was a case of getting the best rugger team the school could put out and forget the rest. No wonder so many people abandon any exercise as soon as they can.
 
So we should just ignore that people are lacking a life skill? Why are fast food shops more likely to open in areas with levels of high deprivation? What knock on effects does that have for the rest of society?

It’s not saying that it’s an idea that would immediately end poverty, but it is something that starts to address issues that exist - we can reduce the cost of eating for people if they learn how to cook at school, likelihood of diabetes is reduced.

It’s better than saying there’s an extra zero on every benefit statement.

The same is arguably happening in physical education - there’s a lack of it meaning that people now think to get fit they need to go to a gym. There’s so much that could be done by addressing the root causes of these issues much earlier on, or in many cases bringing back ‘life’ subjects that were phased out for willy waving elements of the curriculum.

I cook most things from scratch because I can afford to do it, but it's expensive. It's far cheaper for a skint family to buy cheaper, more convenient foods that are not so good for their health. Just take a look around a supermarket and see what they put on offer.

It just feels like some people have a very black and white opinion on what poverty is and it's root causes without having experienced it first hand.
 
I cook most things from scratch because I can afford to do it, but it's expensive. It's far cheaper for a skint family to buy cheaper, more convenient foods that are not so good for their health. Just take a look around a supermarket and see what they put on offer.

It just feels like some people have a very black and white opinion on what poverty is and it's root causes without having experienced it first hand.

If you know how to prepare a meal, however, and can be educated that there is no difference in a value brand of chopped tomatoes and a label one (as an example), you can (with a little time) make meals that can be enjoyed for a day or two by multiple people for less than ready meals. Part of the problem for me is that 1. Those skills are lacking and 2. If you're both working full time and looking after children it's difficult to find the time and energy to learn, shop for ingredients and prepare them.

Part of. Nowhere near the whole issue.
 
If you know how to prepare a meal, however, and can be educated that there is no difference in a value brand of chopped tomatoes and a label one (as an example), you can (with a little time) make meals that can be enjoyed for a day or two by multiple people for less than ready meals. Part of the problem for me is that 1. Those skills are lacking and 2. If you're both working full time and looking after children it's difficult to find the time and energy to learn, shop for ingredients and prepare them.

Part of. Nowhere near the whole issue.

That is part of it, to be sure, but as you note, it is nowhere near sufficient.

The brain functions differently very differently under stress.

"One of the best-understood examples of non-nutritive eating is the fact that stress tends to make us eat more. It makes sense psychologically, in that the people most prone to stress eating are those most actively restricting food intake the rest of the time: When the going gets tough and they need to be nice to themselves, this is how they ease up. They prefer to eat fats and carbs. If the boss is a creep, why not run wild on the chocolate-covered walrus blubber?

But we can't trace these habits merely to the complexities of the human psyche, because it's not just humans who exhibit them. Stress a lab rat by, let's say, putting an unknown rat in its cage, and it will eat more and show a stronger preference for high-fat/high-carb options than usual.

This phenomenon's occurrence in many species makes evolutionary sense. For 99% of animals, stress involves a major burst of energy use as they, say, run for their lives. Afterward, the body stimulates appetite, especially for high-density calories, to rebuild depleted energy stores. But we smart, neurotic humans keep turning the stress-response on for purely psychological reasons, putting our bodies repeatedly into the restocking mode.

Scientists are beginning to understand how this stress-related junk-food craving works. Stress increases the release of "endogenous opioids" in some brain regions. These neurotransmitters resemble opiates in their structure and addictive properties (and opiates work by stimulating the receptors that evolved for responding to the brain's opioids). This helps to account for the hugely reinforcing properties of junk food at such times.

Stress also activates the "endocannabinoid" system in the brain. Yes, there's a class of chemicals in the brain that resemble the ingredient in cannabis that famously links pot to getting the munchies. And stress activates another brain chemical called neuropeptide Y that can stimulate the craving for fat and sugar.

The most fundamental mechanism to explain this stress effect is that comfort food is, well, comforting. As first demonstrated by Mary Dallman and colleagues at the University of California, San Francisco, working with lab rats, fat and carbs stimulate reward systems in the brain, thereby turning off the body's hormonal stress-response."


Poverty - including relative poverty, which is precisely why social scientists select this metric - is essentially to be subjected to constant cumulative stress. This, far more than the lazy Victorian moralism we've seen here this morning, explains why poor people often make behavioural decisions which the middle class finds baffling. In the case of junk food, giving people access to better nutrition and teaching them how to cook is an important step, but the results will always be limited unless we alleviate the chronic social stress endemic to unregulated capitalism, namely, by eliminating relative poverty.

As you noted earlier, it will take structural change - and there is only one party in Britain which understands this.
 
many polar bears round your way?
Situation - Food bank usage.
Method- Put polar bears in the food banks. Result - polar bear well fed, food bank usage drops (people are either eaten by bear or too scared to go) Britain is fixed.

Situation - not enough beds in NHS.
Method- Let polar bears roam free around A&E waiting rooms.
Result - polar bear well fed (ate the sick). NHS is fixed.
 
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