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[Paris]

You obviously weren't around to compare things before and after New Labour got into power.

But fine, vote for the Tories or the Lib Dems again and see what five more years of that does for the North instead

I'd rather not thanks given the amount of work that I do for my local CLP, something that the likes of you and Tsubaki won't be able to comprehend given that you likely think a few tweets and Facebook shares is plenty of work.

We've seen your types before, indeed they're the most infuriating, we're inundated with people willing to help out with the social media side of things but what really matters come polling day is door knocking.

 

[tsubaki]

Mann is a proper Labour man. I understand that you don't like him, presumably because he confronted Ken Livingstone and brought his vile racism to the fore, something which made him persona non grata for those who think that the sun shines out of Corbyn's backside, but I'd far rather him than someone who is away with the fairies.

Yes, he confronted Ken Livingstone and brought his vile racism to the fore, a mere eleven years after Livingstone likened a Jewish journalist to a concentration camp guard and got suspended for it.

How is "a proper Labour man" working with the Tories, by the way?

 

[tsubaki]

I'd rather not thanks given the amount of work that I do for my local CLP, something that the likes of you and Tsubaki won't be able to comprehend given that you likely think a few tweets and Facebook shares is plenty of work.

We've seen your types before, indeed they're the most infuriating, we're inundated with people willing to help out with the social media side of things but what really matters come polling day is door knocking.

There is a rather large amount of stereotyping going on here, unfortunately (though I can't speak for @abelard ) all wrong in my case.

 

[abelard]

I'd rather not thanks given the amount of work that I do for my local CLP, something that the likes of you and Tsubaki won't be able to comprehend given that you likely think a few tweets and Facebook shares is plenty of work.

We've seen your types before, indeed they're the most infuriating, we're inundated with people willing to help out with the social media side of things but what really matters come polling day is door knocking.

I don't have a twitter account or a facebook account, but have done as much canvassing as I can manage given my work schedule and family commitments.

 

[dead_soft]

I appreciate that you may not be able to see it given that you presumably live in a London bubble, Tsubaki, but everyone else can.

Can we see your working out on how improving the infrastructure of the railways and making travel less expensive only helps the South East?

 

[Milkman]

Wait, we only have trains in the South East now?

What a highly undesirable policy for the thousands of commuters that travel on expensive trains into the cities every day from small surrounding towns. It must be an incredibly tough sell for you @Paris.

Also, wind your neck in will you. John Mann is a complete bell.

 

[dwightschrute]

This thread lays bare how ridiculous our political commentators are, literally arguing against their own points they made in previous opinion pieces to take the complete opposite view all in the name of attacking Corbyn

 

[Khalekan]

lol lol lol

 

[Socrates]

lol lol lol

Is her real name Tate? Or is it because she's just like Catherine Tate's Nan character?

 

[bluebark]

Mann is a proper Labour man. I understand that you don't like him, presumably because he confronted Ken Livingstone and brought his vile racism to the fore, something which made him persona non grata for those who think that the sun shines out of Corbyn's backside, but I'd far rather him than someone who is away with the fairies.

Jesus wept this is stupid.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's interesting to see the views of various Labour folk who say they're struggling to back Corbyn summarily dismissed as though they lack the intellect to see the brilliance of Corbynism. It feels like the Brexit debacle all over again. Isn't it your job to reach out to people like that rather than aloofly dismiss them?

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

It's interesting to see the views of various Labour folk who say they're struggling to back Corbyn summarily dismissed as though they lack the intellect to see the brilliance of Corbynism. It feels like the Brexit debacle all over again. Isn't it your job to reach out to people like that rather than aloofly dismiss them?

Saint Jeremy is too good for this world. That's the problem.

In my view his continual association with some extremely rum characters and views an only be, mendacious (he shares those beliefs) incompetent (he can't see why standing next to Martin McGuinness two weeks after he tried to murder the incumbent of the office he now aspires to is a dangerous precedent, for example) or unlucky (he's just trying to do the right thing but keeps on getting it wrong).

None of which are desirable traits in a leader.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This thread lays bare how ridiculous our political commentators are, literally arguing against their own points they made in previous opinion pieces to take the complete opposite view all in the name of attacking Corbyn

But it is brilliant, who needs the ignore when hypocrisy and contradiction is so rife, it's so satisfying to witness.

 

[tsubaki]

It's interesting to see the views of various Labour folk who say they're struggling to back Corbyn summarily dismissed as though they lack the intellect to see the brilliance of Corbynism. It feels like the Brexit debacle all over again. Isn't it your job to reach out to people like that rather than aloofly dismiss them?

Summarily dismissed? If posters are going to come out with statements backing Mann knowing what he has done, what he is doing and why then they can expect to be disagreed with. There does seem to be a theme here whereby people who post daft statements like that think that being challenged about it equals dismissal, which isn’t true at all. I think it’s great that @Paris is working so hard for the local CLP, but I disagree with his statement that because I live in London I have no idea what public transport is like outside of the “London bubble”.

As for your Brexit point, that is a pretty weird analogy in this case because of what Mann has done there, too - him and Austin have been regular rebels lately even though they know what this is going to do to their soon to be ex-constituents.

At least Hoey can argue from the point of view of a longstanding political belief on that point, but I rather think the fact the other two were given sinecures by the state and they changed their view on the EU relatively recently could give rise to the belief that they were bought off. I mean, Corbyn isn’t allowed to forget his previous stance on the EU even though it’s changed so why should Mann?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Summarily dismissed? If posters are going to come out with statements backing Mann knowing what he has done, what he is doing then they can expect to be disagreed with. There does seem to be a theme here whereby people who post daft statements like that think that being challenged about it equals dismissal, which isn’t true at all. I think it’s great that @Paris is working so hard for the local CLP, but I disagree with his statement that because I live in London I have no idea what public transport is like outside of the “London bubble”.

As for your Brexit point, that is a pretty weird analogy in this case because of what Mann has done there, too - him and Austin have been regular rebels lately even though they know what this is going to do to their soon to be ex-constituents.

At least Hoey can argue from the point of view of a longstanding political belief on that point, but I rather think the fact the other two were given sinecures by the state and they changed their view on the EU relatively recently could give rise to the belief that they were bought off. I mean, Corbyn isn’t allowed to forget his previous stance on the EU even though it’s changed so why should Mann?

There is a sense, and I sense it because I've largely done exactly the same with regards to Brexit, that it's the other person that needs to do the budging, and you're (the royal you) the one to educate them. There doesn't appear to be a great deal of compromise in values and beliefs the other way, which is perhaps an issue and why so few people appear to budge from their ideological stances. This can be especially problematic when the ones doing the proselytising are those of us who happen to live in London.