Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%
  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%
  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%
  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%
  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%

  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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You'll be happy to sacrifice all the employment associated with public infrastructure works then?

If it's a choice between one or the other then yes, yes I would.

Getting more people on trains will, even taking into account some of the fleet is still diesel, and a lot of the electrified lines won't be powered by renewables, still lower our emissions

If the aim is to get more people on trains then we'll need to invest in more rolling stock, which will have to be built ( probably outside the UK to be fair ) and maintained, which will employ people. Those extra trains will need people to drive them, and admin staff to support the extra work, so employing more people in long term, not short term, work.

You can't just put more trains on the network because, at rush hour, it operates at pretty much full capacity, so we'd need to speed up the digitisation of the network ( both signalling and route planning ), which involve kitting out hundreds, of not thousands of trains with the required technology, updating our antiquated signalling system and installing the software needed to control it. So that would support suppliers of the hardware and software and ... employ more people.

Or, we could build more roads, and, as well as in the short term burn more fossil fuels in a pretty inefficient way of getting people from A to B, in the medium to long term we'd be going more down the route of people travelling by electric cars, which are pretty inefficient and will need more power generating like for like compared to rail.

We could just build more and more low carbon power stations, but, some time in the next two or three decades, we're likely to need to move away from using gas boliers to heat space, and will need more electric generating capacity to power things like heat pumps.

TL;DR ?

Yes, yes I would.
 
If it's a choice between one or the other then yes, yes I would.

Getting more people on trains will, even taking into account some of the fleet is still diesel, and a lot of the electrified lines won't be powered by renewables, still lower our emissions

If the aim is to get more people on trains then we'll need to invest in more rolling stock, which will have to be built ( probably outside the UK to be fair ) and maintained, which will employ people. Those extra trains will need people to drive them, and admin staff to support the extra work, so employing more people in long term, not short term, work.

You can't just put more trains on the network because, at rush hour, it operates at pretty much full capacity, so we'd need to speed up the digitisation of the network ( both signalling and route planning ), which involve kitting out hundreds, of not thousands of trains with the required technology, updating our antiquated signalling system and installing the software needed to control it. So that would support suppliers of the hardware and software and ... employ more people.

Or, we could build more roads, and, as well as in the short term burn more fossil fuels in a pretty inefficient way of getting people from A to B, in the medium to long term we'd be going more down the route of people travelling by electric cars, which are pretty inefficient and will need more power generating like for like compared to rail.

We could just build more and more low carbon power stations, but, some time in the next two or three decades, we're likely to need to move away from using gas boliers to heat space, and will need more electric generating capacity to power things like heat pumps.

TL;DR ?

Yes, yes I would.

Good answer!
 
Good answer!

You always need to look at the bigger picture mate.

If most car journeys had three or four adults in the car, then the benefits of rail travel would be lessened, but, as you drive around, with probably just you in the car most of the time, looking at the people in the cars around you, then most of them will have one or two adults in them.

Obviously not all car journeys can be replaced by public transport, but making public transport more affordable seems like a no brainer.

Our daughter lives in London, and, like many Londoners, doesn't run a car because there's no point. If that model could be extended and replicated in other major cities, then life in those areas would almost certainly be better.

If I'm going down there on a planned visit ( which would normally coincide with an away fixture ! ), then, unless I needed to take down something bulky, I'd go by train. If I was going on my own, it would be cheaper than than the fuel costs of going by car. If both of us were going, once you'd taken into account the congestion charge and a bit of wear and tear, it'd be marginally more expensive.

Plainly if you live in a rural area, with little to no access to the railways, then you'd see things differently.
 
Beeching and his cuts are probably some of the most short sited and state sponsored vandalism ever bestowed on to the UK.

Indeed, but that (and a lot of the other craziness that went on during BR's day) is why a direct nationalization is probably not going to be as good as something like SNCF or DB (a company that isn't controlled by the state but is owned by it). Fixing it now only to allow the Tories to ruin it again a decade or two later is not going to solve anyones problems.
 
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