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[Billy Dean]

Of course, we shouldn't wish people to have heart attacks, or be shot or whatever.

Bruce please don't threaten to have any more people shot.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

*heads to Ale House
** starts a ‘How would you prefer to die ?’ thread.

If we get a slew of "Would you bring back hanging/electric chair/spanking...?" threads I may top Joey.

 

[Tubey]

All Labour's manifesto says to me is that they've gave up trying to win and Corbyn has chose to go out on an ideological high when he loses.

The harm that plan would do if ever given the chance to be put into effect is incalculable. It assumes it can milk the economy and it will remain the same as they do. It wouldn't. There'd be an exodus from Britain, massive price rises, lower wages, lower employment. Big business will go elsewhere wherever possible, while smaller businesses will be suffocated by the total lack of faith in enterprise and Corp Tax increases.

Thankfully the idiot will never be in power to enact it.

 

[Billy Dean]

All Labour's manifesto says to me is that they've gave up trying to win and Corbyn has chose to go out on an ideological high when he loses.

The harm that plan would do if ever given the chance to be put into effect is incalculable. It assumes it can milk the economy and it will remain the same as they do. It wouldn't. There'd be an exodus from Britain, massive price rises, lower wages, lower employment. Big business will go elsewhere wherever possible, while smaller businesses will be suffocated by the total lack of faith in enterprise and Corp Tax increases.

Thankfully the idiot will never be in power to enact it.

I don't buy this. Big businesses aren't queuing up to leave Germany for example.

 

[zzr45]

All Labour's manifesto says to me is that they've gave up trying to win and Corbyn has chose to go out on an ideological high when he loses.

The harm that plan would do if ever given the chance to be put into effect is incalculable. It assumes it can milk the economy and it will remain the same as they do. It wouldn't. There'd be an exodus from Britain, massive price rises, lower wages, lower employment. Big business will go elsewhere wherever possible, while smaller businesses will be suffocated by the total lack of faith in enterprise and Corp Tax increases.

Thankfully the idiot will never be in power to enact it.

It’s stuff like removing the different tiers of minimum wages between age groups. It’s a easy way to get youth votes. The issue is that it would inevitably lead to higher youth unemployment because there’s no incentive to hire young workers with no skills when you’d be paying someone with far more experience exactly the same.

 

[tsubaki]

I don't buy this. Big businesses aren't queuing up to leave Germany for example.

Careful now, if you don’t take care explaining to apparently pro-Remain folk how this manifesto recreates here a lot of the things they have in Europe then heads may explode.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Rachel Riley is doubling down on her Twitter campaign against Corbyn- be interesting to see how it's presented in the media.

She's in the top 5%...

 

[Tubey]

I don't buy this. Big businesses aren't queuing up to leave Germany for example.

They'll leave if they can't make the shortfall from price rises. They'll stay if there is still a profit margin that isn't subject to high risk. Not every existing big business will leave obviously, but enough will now look to go because the risk is too high.

Any new big businesses looking to invest in the UK won't bother from the outset, because the risk will be greater due to inflation, the prospect of empowered strike action and so on.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

Not since the lords prayer have words held humanity in its grasp at the utterance of such wisdom and power.

Yet still all the dimwits in the country will vote the Tories in, Question Time last night had a few beauts in the crowd.

Labour are trying to transform your life and you vote for more Tory rule putting you on the breadline...

 

[orly]

Huge, huge fan of the virtue signalling from the most ardent Leave supporter and raging Tory-tax-avoider fanboy.

Astonishing.

 

[spectateur]

All Labour's manifesto says to me is that they've gave up trying to win and Corbyn has chose to go out on an ideological high when he loses.

The harm that plan would do if ever given the chance to be put into effect is incalculable. It assumes it can milk the economy and it will remain the same as they do. It wouldn't. There'd be an exodus from Britain, massive price rises, lower wages, lower employment. Big business will go elsewhere wherever possible, while smaller businesses will be suffocated by the total lack of faith in enterprise and Corp Tax increases.

Thankfully the idiot will never be in power to enact it.

But there is already an Exodus from Britain due to uncertainties brought about by the tories. Get Brexit done, then you'll see the damage.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

All Labour's manifesto says to me is that they've gave up trying to win and Corbyn has chose to go out on an ideological high when he loses.

The harm that plan would do if ever given the chance to be put into effect is incalculable. It assumes it can milk the economy and it will remain the same as they do. It wouldn't. There'd be an exodus from Britain, massive price rises, lower wages, lower employment. Big business will go elsewhere wherever possible, while smaller businesses will be suffocated by the total lack of faith in enterprise and Corp Tax increases.

Thankfully the idiot will never be in power to enact it.

This is the lie the Tories are peddling, all the money will leave.

Amazon, Ebay, Google, Facebook, Ftse 100 will all stop selling services and goods in the UK will they because Corp Tax is going back to what it was in 2010?

Utter bollocks, they will be selling the same but having to pay more Tax on their profits, boo-hoo for them, they've been getting away with fleecing us all for a decade under the Tories, Billionaires paying less tax than a joiner with fancy accounting, it's time it stopped.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't buy this. Big businesses aren't queuing up to leave Germany for example.

It's risky to conflate the two though, isn't it? The British economy is around 80% service based, which if much of their trade is domestic they can't really do much but stay (although they may invest less), but if they trade internationally, then are the conditions ripe for them to move? Can overseas territories offer similar environments to here?

Taxes aren't the entire picture as to why companies locate in certain places, but they are a factor.

 

[Charro]

They'll leave if they can't make the shortfall from price rises. They'll stay if there is still a profit margin that isn't subject to high risk. Not every existing big business will leave obviously, but enough will now look to go because the risk is too high.

Any new big businesses looking to invest in the UK won't bother from the outset, because the risk will be greater due to inflation, the prospect of empowered strike action and so on.

Brexit is a bigger risk to all this than anything labour are proposing.

 

[abelard]

Ah yes, pure spite because I’m tired of fantasy budgets being stuck together by ideological dreamers. We are about to be condemned to another 5 years of utter crap because the best the main opposition can come up with is the equivalent of a 5 year olds letter to Santa.

I’ll quote from another part of McDonnells Magnum Opus, this time on Electric cars:

‘ With a rough assumption on the rate of sales needed to reach100% electric sales by 2030, we generously assume half are fleet vehicles and 60% are over £40,000 to get an approximate cost of £165m in 2023-24.’

Rough assumptions, generous assuming and approximate costs are absolutely wham. As much as people were up in arms about the Lib Dem’s puppet on here, the message was absolutely spot on, Labour have no grip on reality and this grey book absolutely shows it.

It is a long-term vision of a what a better society could look like. Voters don't bother without inspiration. If Labour manages even 10% of the manifesto, they'll have done more to improve Britain than any government since the war.

Ah yes, pure spite because I’m tired of fantasy budgets being stuck together by ideological dreamers.

I stand by that, actually. I have always respected @Bruce Wayne or @mezzrow (and at times even @peteblue!) because while we disagree profoundly over methods and assumptions, there is no doubting the depth and sincerity of their intentions.

I don't remember you making a single constructive post or attempting to provide a solution. It is all sniping from the sidelines and resentment, perhaps masking a good deal of pain and perhaps self-pity.

Cynicism and withdrawal are easy. Solving problems is hard.