The Four Months Though Lads - Worse than Mike Walker

twoblue said:
Where were the games we should have won. The games where neutrals are putting us down on their accumulater. This was a tough run of games…
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Shows how managers can turn form around given some time to do so which is rare in modern football esp in England. Would Dyche have been sacked though during that winless run if there was a proper board in place and if they could have financially done it?
 
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Vintage said:
Shows how managers can turn form around given some time to do so which is rare in modern football esp in England. Would Dyche have been sacked though during that winless run if there was a proper board in place and if they could have financially done it?
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That's an interesting point actually. Our total and utter lack of any leadership or organisation might have helped him out.
 

lieneverton said:
That's an interesting point actually. Our total and utter lack of any leadership or organisation might have helped him out.
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The way Moshiri went through managers he possibly would have got rid of Dyche. Then again he usually got rid of managers when the pressure came on from fans and the media which wasn't the case this time with Dyche compared to Benitez, Lampard etc so who knows
 
twoblue said:
"The four months, where we didn't win a game and Dyche Walker was lucky not to be sacked":

Background, December 2023, On the back of beating Forest Away, Newcastle and Chelsea Home and Burnley Away between 2 and 16 December, we had a League Cup Quarter final on the 19th December with Fulham who were in good form at the time. The tie went to extra time and we lost on penalties.

That's a period of five games in 17 days, unbeaten except for penalties. This then starts the “four-month winless run.” (Hint: Wasn't winless, and wasn't 4 months)
I think we should look at the fixtures with the power of hindsight, each game insolation for the season, and see what games were bad results:

23 Dec
Tottenham 2 -1 Everton. Away at top six side

27 Dec
Everton 1 - 3 Man City. Best team in the world

30 Dec
Wolves 3 - 0 Everton. A tired performance. Bad result, but we have small squad that had just played their 8th game in a month. Wolves top half side

4th Jan FA Cup 3rd Round
Palace 0 - 0 Everton. A tricky away tie against premier league opponents above us in table. DCL sent off and decent result, if unneeded replay


14 Jan
Everton 0 - 0 Villa. Decent result against high flying 4th place Villa

17 Jan 3rd Round Replay
Everton 1 - 0 Palace. An Everton win, in period where we apparently never won in 4 months.

27 Jan FA Cup 4th Round
Everton 1 - 2 Luton. Cant argue that this is a bad result. The only defeat in January.

30 Jan
Fulham 0 - 0 Everton - tricky away tie against a mid table side, above us in the table.

3 Feb
Everton 2 - 2 Tottenham - a good comeback against a good Spurs side

10 Feb
Man City 2 - 0 Everton - Never going to grab a result here.

19 Feb
Everton 1 - 1 Palace - A game we hope to get more from but in isolation not a bad result for where we are this season

24 Feb
Brighton 1 - 1 Everton - On paper a good draw, would have accepted that at the start of the game. Letting them equalise in 90+5 mins was a disappointing.

* Key Stat - only lost once in the league to Man City over the first 2 months of 2024. Won one (in period we never won one) and lost one in the cup.

2 Mar
Everton 1 - 3 West Ham - West Ham are decent outfit (currently 8th), although we would have hoped for a better result at home to them. Again, two injury times goals changed the game with West Ham scoring 90+1 and 90+5 to win the game

9 Mar
Man U 2 - 0 Everton - Undone by two penalties. You wouldn't expect a result at this game at the start of the season.

30 Mar
Bournmouth 2 - 1 Everton - tricky away tie, lost in the 90+1 min by a Coleman OG

2 April
Newcastle 1 - 1 Everton - Another tricky away tie. Scraped a draw.

So, in conclusion:

Premier League 4 months (Dec 3 to Aprl 2):

Played 17, Won 4, Drew 6, Lost 8, Pts 18

We achieved over a point per game, which would likely have kept us up in a normal season. The Four Months is a myth. We won games in December and beat Palace in the cup in January, too.

There are also only a couple of games we should have expected a better result, given the league position of the opposition.

You would have been a fool to sack Dyche in the period. A period against difficult opposition, where we still maintained over a point per game, and undone by bunch of injury time goals.
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That you Sean?
 

navidson said:
If you applied the same filter to every game we'd never win a match

'Tricky away tie', 'Top half team', 'never going to get a result'

Behave - We were crap and the manager got stick for it

Fair play to him he managed to turn it around just in time
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Reminds me of the Campbell/99 run in. Won only twice in the league between 13 December 1998 and 10 April 1999 - four months. A 5-0 fluke vs Boro and a slender 2-1 at Blackburn thanks to Bakayoko.

11 April 99 we beat Coventry 2-0 and the rest is Super Kev-inspired history.

If we'd turned those Fulham and Palace games into wins Dyche would be up for MOTS
 

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