The Fab Four

[mkrudden]

Standard required for what? If we're taking the u21 players who have had games in our first eleven then you could argue;

Kenny
Holgate
Vlasic
Lookman
DCL
Baningime
Davies

etc etc have all shown the capability to perform in an 'above average' capacity in the premier league.

When you then take in to account the circumstances of their development and rapid progression in most cases it's a very different learning curve to a 22 year old (2-4 years older) at Man City for example.

At this present moment in time, we don't know what level these Evertonian players will reach, it is impossible to say. However game time and experience are said to increase the productivity and improvement of development cycles.

If we take the case of Alan Shearer, he had a handful of goals at the same age as DCL and his stock only rose during a summer youth tournament, however someone like Beckham was already showing huge ability as was Neville at a similar age to some of our kids....

Of course they could plateau as well....we don't know.

The point I'm trying to make is that if you take any of these players individually they could get games for most sides in the league...at a very young age. Also, I don't believe you (or anyone) can discount the potential of players or groups of players as weve seen with Moyes, Royle and even if you look at Leicester that the sum of a teams parts can be greater as a whole...

Its really impossible to know how these individuals and group can develop together but they need as much experience as can benefit them to give them every chance.

I've always liked you Zat but you've gone dead bonkers recently.

 

[Zatara]

No they wouldn’t

You're saying that none of these could get a game in the prem? They'd all be in most teams squads
Kenny
Holgate
Vlasic
Lookman
DCL
Baningime
Davies

 

[Zatara]

Zat it’s never ever going to happen not even on FIFA
That team would get hammered on a bi-weekly basis

what 'team'?

its a list of the young lads we have whove already had games.

 

[Zatara]

I've always liked you Zat but you've gone dead bonkers recently.

You don't think these players;

A -- Will improve with games and experience?
B -- Have done well in the games they've had?

 

[mkrudden]

You don't think these players;

A -- Will improve with games and experience?
B -- Have done well in the games they've had?

That Beni has done absolutely nothing to warrant your support over Klaassen.
There's one, really easy, example.

 

[Zatara]

That Beni has done absolutely nothing to warrant your support over Klaassen.
There's one, really easy, example.

Baningime was motm in at least 2 games hes played...
klaassen has been poor and ive never thought he could hack this league having seen lots of him last season.

Frankly theyre at opposite ends of the spectrum performance wise...I think a lot of people agree with me based on the motm results

 

[nsno-chris]

You're saying that none of these could get a game in the prem? They'd all be in most teams squads
Kenny - improving, still a mistake in him
Holgate - has been very inconsistent over his time here,
Vlasic
Lookman
DCL
Baningime
Davies

Kenny - improving, still a mistake in him
Holgate - has been very inconsistent over his time here, he’s looked good the last 4 games but hasn’t played a full season
Vlasic - played abar 150 mins of football
Lookman - massively inconsistent, loses the ball and runs down the blind alleys. Miles away from being a regular
DCL - improved since the summer, more likely to be a Kevin Davies than a Harry kane
Baningime - lol, how many minutes????
Davies - looked half the player that broke through last year

See Zat, your obsession with the youngsters overlooks the fact they are massively inconsistent. Unless your city buying international kids like.

 

[Zatara]

Kenny - improving, still a mistake in him
Holgate - has been very inconsistent over his time here, he’s looked good the last 4 games but hasn’t played a full season
Vlasic - played abar 150 mins of football
Lookman - massively inconsistent, loses the ball and runs down the blind alleys. Miles away from being a regular
DCL - improved since the summer, more likely to be a Kevin Davies than a Harry kane
Baningime - lol, how many minutes????
Davies - looked half the player that broke through last year

See Zat, your obsession with the youngsters overlooks the fact they are massively inconsistent. Unless your city buying international kids like.

Kenny -- Showed himself to be a capable premier league right back and also strong in the international youth games
Holgate -- As Allardyce said, now showing his potential and motm last game
DCL -- Shown himself to be able to perform in the premier league.
Baningime -- At least 2 motm awards in only a handful of games
Davies -- 2nd season syndrome but shown last season he can handle the league
Vlasic -- Lots of our fans were saying he looked class before unsworth dropped him
Lookman -- Has done well but also been very inconsistent

You've made my point for me...theyre inconsistent...

With games breeds consistency...

We only have the FA cup this season...so give them as much game time as possible (within reason)


DCL looks 500 times the player both shearer and kane did at the same age.

 

[mkrudden]

Baningime was motm in at least 2 games hes played...
klaassen has been poor and ive never thought he could hack this league having seen lots of him last season.

Frankly theyre at opposite ends of the spectrum performance wise...I think a lot of people agree with me based on the motm results

Oh my.
MOTM?!
Mate he's been at beat neat and tidy. You want him to be boss so are seeing it.
He's done zilch to justify any faith. He's come in, played in front of the defence as contingency and done ok.

 

[Zatara]

Oh my.
MOTM?!
Mate he's been at beat neat and tidy. You want him to be boss so are seeing it.
He's done zilch to justify any faith. He's come in, played in front of the defence as contingency and done ok.

check out the reports by @Andy C after baningime's games...his first 2 matches he was motm.

That's not me saying that...that's a fact.

 

[DualityNSNO]

check out the reports by @Andy C after baningime's games...his first 2 matches he was motm.

That's not me saying that...that's a fact.

Were those the two games we were utterly dreadful in and he only got the MOTM cuz there was absolutely nobody else to give it to?
He was literally a kid looking kinda decent in a team lacking any instructions, tactics or positioning. All he had to do was run around to impress.

 

[mkrudden]

check out the reports by @Andy C after baningime's games...his first 2 matches he was motm.

That's not me saying that...that's a fact.

For starters there are many man of the matches. Were these MOTMs from @AndyC 's perspective? Absolutely good on him if that's what he saw. It's all subjective.
Has he won any MOTMs from the club? Where they do a Twitter vote?
I'm certainly not popping at Andy but I just disagree with him. I think he's been very, very average and doesn't deserve the praise you (and Andy) are giving him.
Arrived at the office party mate so I bid you a good night.

 

[Zatara]

Were those the two games we were utterly dreadful in and he only got the MOTM cuz there was absolutely nobody else to give it to?
He was literally a kid looking kinda decent in a team lacking any instructions, tactics or positioning. All he had to do was run around to impress.

that's a very negative perspective...if a player is roundly applauded and given motm then fair play to him,

I personally think its harder for a debutant stepping up from the u23s when the team is playing badly

 

[Zatara]

For starters there are many man of the matches. Were these MOTMs from @AndyC 's perspective? Absolutely good on him if that's what he saw. It's all subjective.
Has he won any MOTMs from the club? Where they do a Twitter vote?
I'm certainly not popping at Andy but I just disagree with him. I think he's been very, very average and doesn't deserve the praise you (and Andy) are giving him.
Arrived at the office party mate so I bid you a good night.

no, andy writes the match report and there is a poll to vote for the motm... baningime got it at least 2ce and also in the echo.

it was a huge majority on both occasions

have a nice party

 

[nsno-chris]

Kenny -- Showed himself to be a capable premier league right back and also strong in the international youth games
Holgate -- As Allardyce said, now showing his potential and motm last game
DCL -- Shown himself to be able to perform in the premier league.
Baningime -- At least 2 motm awards in only a handful of games
Davies -- 2nd season syndrome but shown last season he can handle the league
Vlasic -- Lots of our fans were saying he looked class before unsworth dropped him
Lookman -- Has done well but also been very inconsistent

You've made my point for me...theyre inconsistent...

With games breeds consistency...

We only have the FA cup this season...so give them as much game time as possible (within reason)


DCL looks 500 times the player both shearer and kane did at the same age.

Danny cadamateri also showed promise with inconsistencies

But that final paragraph has creased me