The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[little curly alan ball]

No, he really didn't. Moyes stepped into the same situation and had us hardly out of the top 5 in his first season in charge with the core of the same squad Smith had at hand. He was a disaster. Narrowing the pitch so not to allow his own team or the opposition have the ability to stretch the game was probably all anyone need to know about that feller and his philosophy.

He sat there for 4 years taking his wages and the money he was allowed to cream off from player sales via his dodgy preferred agents and he churned out a brand of soul destroying football never witnessed at GP in its history.

1998-2002 was a black chapter in Everton's history. There's no rehabilitation of his legacy.





We've been run like a whelk stall for years. It's a case of a pox on both their houses as far as I'm concerned. I'm defo not defending the Johnson years...not by a long chalk.

On payment for players: we had to sell the players you named, no question about it. And we did and we survived. It was as simple as that when all the huff and puff is taken out of the equation. For Smith to try and draw a parallel with Rangers and Everton abck then is ridiculous. Under Johnson we had many avenues to go down before admin was reached. You just had to have a man with a brass neck to sell people to get the job done. The only essential difference thing between Johnson and Kenwright is that Kenwright has greater status and PR behind him that allows him to survive long term doing that.

Agreed . I just was makin' the point on this PJ Rennaissance Im seein' lately .

IT WAS BOLLOX . IT IS BOLLOX ...

 

[davek]

Agreed . I just was makin' the point on this PJ Rennaissance Im seein' lately .

IT WAS BOLLOX . IT IS BOLLOX ...

He was a blight on the club, mate. A carpet bagger. As much as I dont rate Kenwright, his predecessor did not preside over a golden era.

 

[peteblue]

Have we been taken over yet.....

 

[little curly alan ball]

He was a blight on the club, mate. A carpet bagger. As much as I dont rate Kenwright, his predecessor did not preside over a golden era.

As I said , lid ; AGREED , Mucka .

 

[chris_b]

As i said the later end of smith was poor but the earlier days where ok. Signed some decent players before having to sell them. Johnson was also good at selling players behind the managers back which bill has never done. Johnson misleade with false promises - bill never claimed to have any money so never spent what we didnt have. I know about the footballl under walter- i was a season ticket holder then. He kept us up when things were tough and for that he will always have my thanks. He also have davey a base to build on

 

[Pblueman]

AT LEAST WE'RE NOT VILLA FFS

 

[davek]

As i said the later end of smith was poor but the earlier days where ok. Signed some decent players before having to sell them. Johnson was also good at selling players behind the managers back which bill has never done. Johnson misleade with false promises - bill never claimed to have any money so never spent what we didnt have. I know about the footballl under walter- i was a season ticket holder then. He kept us up when things were tough and for that he will always have my thanks. He also have davey a base to build on

I'm sorry, but that's just mad. He was sacked precisely because he had us hurtling head first into the Championship and replaced by Moyes who had the task of getting us out of the shit.

I dread to think what would have happened if that idiot Kenwright (who extended 'Disappointings' contract in 2000) hadn't been prevailed upon to cut us free of him.

Have it your way mate. But I doubt there's too many others who feel that the Smith years were anything other than a complete disaster.

 

[Goat]

koff dave

 

[neonleon]

i still have nightmares about it!!

*shudders*

I know these nightmares. Only Super Kevin Campbell can make you safe.

 

[chris_b]

As i have now said about 3 times - the last couple of years of smith were fairly poor - before that we did ok under difficult circumstances. We also got to 3 fa cup quarter finals,

 

[Chang Elephant]

Some facts about Johnson:

1) Underwrote a rights issue of shares to put more money into the club at a mixture of personal cost, and allowing his ownership share to be diluted

2) As is typical with EFC history and luck his own personal business fortunes nosedived just after he bought the club - quite likely he bottled the plans to really plough money in at that time

3) Did not asset strip by selling off virtually every fixed asset and future revenue streams

4) Admitted follower of the ****e but not on public record as YNWA being his favourite song

5) When realised his time was up did not hold out for a ridiculous profit on selling the club

6) When he sold Ferguson, Ferguson was essentially a crock as proved over the next five years...great deal for the club. Walter Smith who had "no idea" this was happening, had the same agent as Ferguson

In no way comparable to the financial disaster that is Dame Bill Kenwright

 

[Hannon]

Some facts about Johnson:

1) Underwrote a rights issue of shares to put more money into the club at a mixture of personal cost, and allowing his ownership share to be diluted

2) As is typical with EFC history and luck his own personal business fortunes nosedived just after he bought the club - quite likely he bottled the plans to really plough money in at that time

3) Did not asset strip by selling off virtually every fixed asset and future revenue streams

4) Admitted follower of the ****e but not on public record as YNWA being his favourite song

5) When realised his time was up did not hold out for a ridiculous profit on selling the club

6) When he sold Ferguson, Ferguson was essentially a crock as proved over the next five years...great deal for the club. Walter Smith who had "no idea" this was happening, had the same agent as Ferguson

In no way comparable to the financial disaster that is Dame Bill Kenwright

post of the decade wel lin lad. numbers 3 and 5 , kenwright lovers ,and the gob shies still back him

 

[The Equaliser]

Is this the same PJ who ended up not attending Goodison on police advice for fear of his personal safety ?

Can't understand why anyone would hold him up as an example to contrast Kenwright with. IIRC he DID try to hang on for a profit before selling up, and in the end no-one came near meeting his asking price, which wasn't surprising given the value of the club then. He had no choice but to get out. Especially after almost taking us down in 97/98, having phaffed around trying to get the right manager the previous summer and making a complete mess of it. Not to mention borrowing money for players and then promptly selling them again. I remember Nigel Martyn's story of how he was brought to Park Foods rather than the Club for discussions about his transfer, and he ended up going to Leeds because he was so unimpressed. Then there was also the proposed failed ground move to the middle of nowhere off the M57.

Shuddering the more I think about how bad the Johnson regime was. That's not to say Kenwright's is any better, because it isn't. For different reasons. It's not one or the other. They are/were BOTH terrible.

 

[davek]

Some facts about Johnson:

1) Underwrote a rights issue of shares to put more money into the club at a mixture of personal cost, and allowing his ownership share to be diluted

2) As is typical with EFC history and luck his own personal business fortunes nosedived just after he bought the club - quite likely he bottled the plans to really plough money in at that time

3) Did not asset strip by selling off virtually every fixed asset and future revenue streams

4) Admitted follower of the ****e but not on public record as YNWA being his favourite song

5) When realised his time was up did not hold out for a ridiculous profit on selling the club

6) When he sold Ferguson, Ferguson was essentially a crock as proved over the next five years...great deal for the club. Walter Smith who had "no idea" this was happening, had the same agent as Ferguson

In no way comparable to the financial disaster that is Dame Bill Kenwright

He did get up to some of the same tricks as Kenwright though mate: he tried to haul the club off to Kirkby golf course with a bullshit ballot; conducted a firesale when the banks wanted their cash back asap; kept us dangling for a year with stories about investors and takeovers until he finally took TBH's cash and scarpered back over the water. And he also treated two Everton legends in Kendall and Royle like shite.

 

[Chang Elephant]

he tried to haul the club off to Kirkby golf course with a bullshit ballot;

but he hardly got anywhere forward with that unlike Kewnright's Tescodrome, and was sharp enough to have grabbed the Kings Dock public money if that had ever been offered to him

conducted a firesale when the banks wanted their cash back asap

difference being that was a fire sale against money already spent but we've had recent fire sales after no money spent

kept us dangling for a year with stories about investors and takeovers until he finally took TBH's cash

Would be nice if BK had kept us dangling for just a year rather than ten, and would take a similar return on his investment

he also treated two Everton legends in Kendall and Royle like shite.

Agreed, very poor treatment of Royle, think Howard brought problems on himself with constant refuelling. Doesn't compare with the wholesale mistreatment of the Everton fanbase by Kenwright's stream of lies and media propaganda techniques though.

No comparison Dave, you're worrying me. Have you been theatre going ?