The Everton Board Thread (Inc. Bill Kenwright / Blue Union)

[davek]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2089667/Reading-40m-takeover-Russian-tycoon.html

Lolling at that. One of the two spoof takeover stories Kenwright concocted in the past reappears on the radar. Mr Anton Zingarevich's "bid" to takeover Everton.

He came on the scene shortly before Bill trundled out the fictional Fortress Sports Fund troupe to see Paul Gregg's hostile takeover off. I'd almost forgotten about Mr Zingarevich, such is the volume of fantasy stories Bill's told in the past.

 

[davek]

http://www.theblueunion.com/news/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont-its-the-everton-way

Last week's Elstone's blog torn apart.

 

[blue61]

Apologies if this comment has already been made, but can we not just send the entire board to french company PIP. They're giving out refunds on useless t*ts.

 

[Neiler]

http://www.theblueunion.com/news/now-you-see-it-now-you-dont-its-the-everton-way

Last week's Elstone's blog torn apart.

Saw this yesterday, some good questions and some waffle/conjecture/unrealistic comparrisons to evoke emotion overall, pretty much what you would expect with their agenda.

Overall no real smoking gun to be honest, bit dissapointed with the slanted view and lack of decent objective or detailed analysis. Truth lies somewhere in the middle of the Elstone blog and their retort.

 

[Mvflusk]

First paragraph of that is exactly why most blues are turned off by those clowns.

Pompous, arrogant and completely out of touch with the mindset of the common fan.

And hasn't D/D already explained the £35m net spend figure? For a group that seems to think themselves financially savvy they are either ignoring or just plain ignorant of how buying and selling players works.


1. Comparing Everton and Liverpool's commercial income

Sad attempt to cause a storm. It is and never will be comparable because they're a big plastic Disney brand. And Bolton have additional income from their stadium naming rights, as well as a hotel attached to their stadium. It doesn't take Lord Sugar to see where they get their commercial income. So to compete we need an improved/new stadium. Can an interim board provide this?

2. The Operating Costs Saga

This bit really annoyed me. Are they being deliberately obtuse in describing Finch Farm as "a leased building and some fields"? It's not just Bellefield with more pitches. It has a state of the art gym, dedicated media department, high tech medical facilities and some of the league's best rehabilitation facilities, add on to that the academy. They appear to be taking (or choosing to take) an overly-simplistic view with regards to the "Other Operating Costs" because any detailed analysis would surely put paid to their scaremongering conjecture.

3. Other Bits

Complaining that Elstone said the Bellefield money went to players when someone else said it went to the bank. Maybe it went to the bank so other money didn't have to. It doesn't have to be a straight swap. The Bellefield money going to the bank would have eased the squeeze and loosened our cashflow. But as we've seen before with regards to the player fees, the Bunion only operates in whole figures going in one direction only which is precisely how business doesn't work.

And finally

We believe that our simple solution can put an end to what is a tragedy for all matchgoing Evertonians. We’re asking Bill Kenwright to do the right thing for the club for once, the club he tells you he loves but is clearly running into the ground.

A simple solution to the fact the board are not investing money. A simple solution to Finch Farm being more expensive than Bellefield. A simple solution to Everton possessing few assets and £45m of debt. A simple solution to falling gates and low morale. A simple solution to low commercial income born of an old stadium with no enticing features, no hotel, very few executive facilities, no naming rights deal.

A man with no money stands aside. For another man with no money.

 

[davek]

Saw this yesterday, some good questions and some waffle/conjecture/unrealistic comparrisons to evoke emotion overall, pretty much what you would expect with their agenda.

Overall no real smoking gun to be honest, bit dissapointed with the slanted view and lack of decent objective or detailed analysis. Truth lies somewhere in the middle of the Elstone blog and their retort.

There's no shame in trying to evoke emotion - that's what they're trying to do: stimulate concern.

You can argue about what's covered in detail and not covered in detail all day long, but they're central point is unanswerable: we have a club in decline that's a wreck off the pitch and this is due to the conscious strategy of the board over years to run up debt and avoid investment.

Dont lose sight of the wood for the trees.

 

[davek]

First paragraph of that is exactly why most blues are turned off by those clowns.

Pompous, arrogant and completely out of touch with the mindset of the common fan.

And hasn't D/D already explained the £35m net spend figure? For a group that seems to think themselves financially savvy they are either ignoring or just plain ignorant of how buying and selling players works.


1. Comparing Everton and Liverpool's commercial income

Sad attempt to cause a storm. It is and never will be comparable because they're a big plastic Disney brand. And Bolton have additional income from their stadium naming rights, as well as a hotel attached to their stadium. It doesn't take Lord Sugar to see where they get their commercial income. So to compete we need an improved/new stadium. Can an interim board provide this?

2. The Operating Costs Saga

This bit really annoyed me. Are they being deliberately obtuse in describing Finch Farm as "a leased building and some fields"? It's not just Bellefield with more pitches. It has a state of the art gym, dedicated media department, high tech medical facilities and some of the league's best rehabilitation facilities, add on to that the academy. They appear to be taking (or choosing to take) an overly-simplistic view with regards to the "Other Operating Costs" because any detailed analysis would surely put paid to their scaremongering conjecture.

3. Other Bits

Complaining that Elstone said the Bellefield money went to players when someone else said it went to the bank. Maybe it went to the bank so other money didn't have to. It doesn't have to be a straight swap. The Bellefield money going to the bank would have eased the squeeze and loosened our cashflow. But as we've seen before with regards to the player fees, the Bunion only operates in whole figures going in one direction only which is precisely how business doesn't work.

And finally

We believe that our simple solution can put an end to what is a tragedy for all matchgoing Evertonians. We’re asking Bill Kenwright to do the right thing for the club for once, the club he tells you he loves but is clearly running into the ground.

A simple solution to the fact the board are not investing money. A simple solution to Finch Farm being more expensive than Bellefield. A simple solution to Everton possessing few assets and £45m of debt. A simple solution to falling gates and low morale. A simple solution to low commercial income born of an old stadium with no enticing features, no hotel, very few executive facilities, no naming rights deal.

A man with no money stands aside. For another man with no money.

Are they right that we need shut of Kenwright and his fellow directors to move forward? Of course they are. Are they right that every word and deed from the club is to avoid that scenario? Of course they are.

I'm sure there's enough for anyone to nitpick over and find fault - but on the big questions they are bang on the money. Like it or luimp it.

 

[Chang Elephant]

2. The Operating Costs Saga

This bit really annoyed me. Are they being deliberately obtuse in describing Finch Farm as "a leased building and some fields"? It's not just Bellefield with more pitches. It has a state of the art gym, dedicated media department, high tech medical facilities and some of the league's best rehabilitation facilities, add on to that the academy. They appear to be taking (or choosing to take) an overly-simplistic view with regards to the "Other Operating Costs" because any detailed analysis would surely put paid to their scaremongering conjecture.

Seeing as you live somewhere inside the bowels of Kenwright, perhaps you could explain what these costs are made up of ?

 

[neonleon]

Is this still going? ha ha ha.

Testimony as much to Everton representing a very poor investment as much as comic book villain Billy K aka the greedmeister or The major obstacle to us collecting four trophies next season.

Would you really, given that the likelihood of making any money back, (the likelihood is you'd hemmorage money and lose a hundred million or so) is next to nothing - short of asset stripping the club (and nobody wants that, although I acknowledge that it kind of looks like that's happening anyway under BK, its nowhere near proper real asset stripping) - invest in Everton. Chances are if you said yes you'll never have that kind of money anyway.

There are investors out there, credible ones with money. But do they have the interests of the club at stake or do they simply want to sell all their players and then sell the club on?

Until we have transparency and we can see the process of vetting these prospective buyers and the kind of figures that BK wants for his stake and his associates; he'll always be vulnerable to accusations of greed. People should bear in mind though that this is not necessarily so (they may well be right) and if they want to take me to task they can explain how Everton represents a great investment with figures etc.

Personally if I had 300 million knocking about i wanted to piss it up the wall with little hope of getting it back I can think of better things to spend it on.

Population control measures.

Charity.

With that kind of money you could build a hospital or start your own university. The alternative, distributing it to a bunch of mercenary footballers who raise their skirts at another club at the first sign of a pay rise and pretend its because they are 'ambitious' ala pienaar, is less appealing.

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Leave Billy boy alone. He's a top blue. far better blue than me or you.....

 

[Muggins]

Has the club actually given any explanation why the OS announced "Funds available in January.." then recently announced "No funds available in January.."????

Maybe they thought bringing in Donovan and Gibson would have us all windmilling into forgetting this.

Pro or Anti Kenwright, there has to be an explanation from the club to the fence sitting fan. Otherwise, there is no reason to believe ANYTHING from the club at all EVER again.

We know where the money has gone as Moyes told us, but that is a separate issue.

 

[Can't buy class]

Has the club actually given any explanation why the OS announced "Funds available in January.." then recently announced "No funds available in January.."????

Probably something to do with half season tickets going on sale and then half season tickets no longer being on sale or is that just me being cynical???

 

[Sharpys top lip]

Radio Merseyside had apparently reported this morning that any money from the sale if billy will go right to the bank as were still 5m short.....

Iv ****in had enough of this ****e.

Where's my gun!!!!!

 

[nsno-chris]

First paragraph of that is exactly why most blues are turned off by those clowns.

Pompous, arrogant and completely out of touch with the mindset of the common fan.

And hasn't D/D already explained the £35m net spend figure? For a group that seems to think themselves financially savvy they are either ignoring or just plain ignorant of how buying and selling players works.


1. Comparing Everton and Liverpool's commercial income

Sad attempt to cause a storm. It is and never will be comparable because they're a big plastic Disney brand. And Bolton have additional income from their stadium naming rights, as well as a hotel attached to their stadium. It doesn't take Lord Sugar to see where they get their commercial income. So to compete we need an improved/new stadium. Can an interim board provide this?

2. The Operating Costs Saga

This bit really annoyed me. Are they being deliberately obtuse in describing Finch Farm as "a leased building and some fields"? It's not just Bellefield with more pitches. It has a state of the art gym, dedicated media department, high tech medical facilities and some of the league's best rehabilitation facilities, add on to that the academy. They appear to be taking (or choosing to take) an overly-simplistic view with regards to the "Other Operating Costs" because any detailed analysis would surely put paid to their scaremongering conjecture.

3. Other Bits

Complaining that Elstone said the Bellefield money went to players when someone else said it went to the bank. Maybe it went to the bank so other money didn't have to. It doesn't have to be a straight swap. The Bellefield money going to the bank would have eased the squeeze and loosened our cashflow. But as we've seen before with regards to the player fees, the Bunion only operates in whole figures going in one direction only which is precisely how business doesn't work.

And finally

We believe that our simple solution can put an end to what is a tragedy for all matchgoing Evertonians. We’re asking Bill Kenwright to do the right thing for the club for once, the club he tells you he loves but is clearly running into the ground.

A simple solution to the fact the board are not investing money. A simple solution to Finch Farm being more expensive than Bellefield. A simple solution to Everton possessing few assets and £45m of debt. A simple solution to falling gates and low morale. A simple solution to low commercial income born of an old stadium with no enticing features, no hotel, very few executive facilities, no naming rights deal.

A man with no money stands aside. For another man with no money.

obert Elstone is constantly telling us Evertonians that 85p of Every £1 goes towards Finch Farm; the main reason why we are operating on such a tight budget. Regardless of what Finch Farm has at its disposal its still crippling the football club, and why its it crippling the football club?? Becuase our board sold it off for a quick cash injection only to be tied into a long standing lease which is now crippling the club. Im fed up of hearing Bob say '85p in every pound' when it was the CEO's business decision to do this. Would anyone on here seriously buy a car for £5k, spend £2 doing it up and then selling it for £10k only to rent it back over a number of years costing you £35k???? The answer will be no.

The main problem the BU have with this board, CEO and senior management is there incapable ways of promoting the brand, exploring new avenues of income, instead they are more interested in quick fix, fire fighting exercises to balance the books there and then, only to harm us in the long term. This is coming to a head now, club assests are disappearing quicker than that Italian Captain, and the only thing left will be the players, who will soon need to depart to balance book because all our commercially income is tied up or sold off.

Even the Kitbag deal stunk of incompetence; rather than venture into markets and try and make a killing by being commercially savy they have just sold of the rights for a pitence, just to make the budget line of the annual report show a profit, £2.5m a year for PL club is ridiculous. But again, we are tied into this deal for 10 years with no means of growth; Sky Money, Season Ticket money all gone.

 

[daz4matty]

Radio Merseyside had apparently reported this morning that any money from the sale if billy will go right to the bank as were still 5m short.....

Iv ****in had enough of this ****e.

Where's my gun!!!!!

And some fans will still worship kenwright.
Makes you sick