The Everton Board Thread 2015/16 [ Not takeover related ]

[The Esk]

BK always said that Green was a close personal friend to whom he turned for for advice. I suspect, and have said many times, that I thought(just my opinion) that 'loans' to Everton came from PG through a route via Bill Kenwright Ltd, or through 'investment' in Bills shows. Many of Bills 'close friends' presumably invested in Educating Rita and the like. I also theorised(with no evidence, just a theory) that the overpriced Niasse transfer fee might have somehow got to PG as repayment, but again there is no evidence of this, its just guesswork.

I hope that Chris Matheson pursues the claims he made in Parliament outside of Parliament. I just tweeted to him that he should do so not because we want a witch-hunt, we want better corporate governance in football

 

[orly]

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Mods please note. I did not accuse anyone of 'all manner of filth' and I presume all my postings on the subject of Phil Green are on file. I have never suggested that Phil Green was not connected with Everton, in fact on many occasions I detailed the way I thought(allegedly) that PG could put money intio Everton, via Bill Kenwright Ltd, or 'investment' in Bills shows. All supposition like everything else. 'Orly' is once again taking an opportunity to subject me to unfounded personal abuse. I suggest he retracts or his post is withdrawn ,as similar abuse was withdrawn from the old Kipper site.

No Steve, no.

On the old Kipper site some of the stuff that came our way, and others, from you in defence of Kenwright was deplorable.

I think you owe some of us an apology.

I'll leave it here, but I hope (finally) like some of the stuff that has emerged today you'll concede how wrong you were.

Back on topic - delighted today has happened. I have a feeling that by the end of the week, we're going to get some big stadium news to bury this in advance of the AGM.

 

[davek]

I hope that Chris Matheson pursues the claims he made in Parliament outside of Parliament. I just tweeted to him that he should do so not because we want a witch-hunt, we want better corporate governance in football

I don't think there's any point in that because he's already helped achieve what you ask of him. He used Green and Everton as an example of a grey area in FA rules regarding ownership via off shore financial vehicles and got the FA man to underline for the record that, yes, they do have the right to probe those organisations if the concern is there that undue influence is being applied from outside boardrooms. It's basically put on record in a very public way that they have clear rules on who really governs clubs. Prior to this the best we had was another commons subcommittee statement that the Leeds United situation from a few years back would be looked at...which they went away and duly did and they forced the publication of the true owners of Leeds.

 

[The Esk]

I don't think there's any point in that because he's already helped achieve what you ask of him. He used Green and Everton as an example of a grey area in FA rules regarding ownership via off shore financial vehicles and got the FA man to underline for the record that, yes, they do have the right to probe those organisations if the concern is there that undue influence is being applied from outside boardrooms. It's basically put on record in a very public way that they have clear rules on who really governs clubs. Prior to this the best we had was another commons subcommittee statement that the Leeds United situation from a few years back would be looked at...which they went away and duly did and they forced the publication of the true owners of Leeds.

I think there's a danger of confusing two issues though.

One is the ability for the PL to see through the offshore vehicle. I was very surprised that Clarke was not more assertive on the rights (and use of those rights) to see through the SPV as he put it.

Secondly and perhaps in my mind even more importantly is the governance issue of there being potentially a shadow director despite the denials of the club. From a shareholder perspective this is the most concerning matter particularly in the light of Elstone's comments last year.

Both under their own rules and legislation covering money laundering, I am confident the PL knew who had beneficial ownership of BCR and Vibrac.

 

[Steve Wigan]

No Steve, no.

On the old Kipper site some of the stuff that came our way, and others, from you in defence of Kenwright was deplorable.

I think you owe some of us an apology.

I'll leave it here, but I hope (finally) like some of the stuff that has emerged today you'll concede how wrong you were.

Back on topic - delighted today has happened. I have a feeling that by the end of the week, we're going to get some big stadium news to bury this in advance of the AGM.

Completey wrong, and if all of my posts are available I'll take them along to my solicitor and see what he says. You are completely out of order and are using a news report of something said in parliament as a stick to (attempt) to beat individuals including me. You are nothing but a failed bully. Stop it now before this gets too far as it did on Kipper...when the poster Swerve(not you is it...or is it?) accused me of being a pornographer based on a complete untruth. This is a good forum,please do not ruin it with your vindictiveness based on nothing at all. Sorry about this mods....I reported orly a few weeks ago...theres a pattern emerging and its nothing to do with Everton.

 

[Carlito]

Looking forward to Elstone having to explain this at the next forum or AGM or whatever they have now.

I'm sure Billary Clinton will just shrug it off, though.

 

[The Esk]

@orly @Steve Wigan - gents respectfully can you either take this private or drop it all together.

Thank you.

 

[Steve Wigan]

Certainly Esk...I'm quite prepared to take it private, but with the usual respect to the forum, if the abuse continues in public I reserve the right to respond in public. I'm even prepared to meet privately with orly to find out what is behind his posts. I won't join in this thread for a while unless I'm directly 'targetted'. Thank you for your intervention.

 

[jinkyali]

Is this simply an off the cuff comment or has he got evidence?
What relevance does it being brought up in Parliment have?

 

[orly]

Completey wrong, and if all of my posts are available I'll take them along to my solicitor and see what he says. You are completely out of order and are using a news report of something said in parliament as a stick to (attempt) to beat individuals including me. You are nothing but a failed bully. Stop it now before this gets too far as it did on Kipper...when the poster Swerve(not you is it...or is it?) accused me of being a pornographer based on a complete untruth. This is a good forum,please do not ruin it with your vindictiveness based on nothing at all. Sorry about this mods....I reported orly a few weeks ago...theres a pattern emerging and its nothing to do with Everton.

Absolutely not me whatsoever and I have not made that allegation in the slightest. There's absolutely no abuse in those posts today whatsoever.

I'll take Esk's advice here about not doing it publicly but I'm more than happy to go to private message if you want to carry it on.

 

[jinkyali]

What this will do is raise yet more questions, which can probably only be a good thing and maybe apply more pressure on Elstone.

On a side note, I see Keith Harris was at the docks with Mo , Anderson etc last week.

Why is he still around?

 

[orly]

What this will do is raise yet more questions, which can probably only be a good thing and maybe apply more pressure on Elstone.

On a side note, I see Keith Harris was at the docks with Mo , Anderson etc last week.

Why is he still around?

Excellent spot if so.

Why indeed?

Too much of the old guard hanging about still.

 

[davek]

I think there's a danger of confusing two issues though.

One is the ability for the PL to see through the offshore vehicle. I was very surprised that Clarke was not more assertive on the rights (and use of those rights) to see through the SPV as he put it.

Secondly and perhaps in my mind even more importantly is the governance issue of there being potentially a shadow director despite the denials of the club. From a shareholder perspective this is the most concerning matter particularly in the light of Elstone's comments last year.

Both under their own rules and legislation covering money laundering, I am confident the PL knew who had beneficial ownership of BCR and Vibrac.

Yeah, I was surprised Clarke didn't know whether for sure that the PL had the same powers as the FL on the issue of disclosure (though the meat of it was that he did say that he thought for sure the PL can compel PL clubs to clarify who their beneficial owners are).

In terms of Everton specifically: Clarke has - from that follow up question concerning Green and Everton/BCR (and his answer to it: 'I'm quite happy to have the debate with them') - given Matheson the green light to pursue this via an approach to the FA.

All of that ^^^ would have been great a year ago when we were still without a sale; I'm not sure what pursuing it now would achieve other than put a few existing directors on the spot...which they'll easily wriggle out of anyway. I doubt it'll settle any scores.

That's why I say the value of today's Q&A was that it hammers home to fans that they do have the right to pursue their suspicions if they choose to do so in number...as they did at Leeds to break the deadlock there.

 

[joey_macmo]

Completey wrong, and if all of my posts are available I'll take them along to my solicitor and see what he says. You are completely out of order and are using a news report of something said in parliament as a stick to (attempt) to beat individuals including me. You are nothing but a failed bully. Stop it now before this gets too far as it did on Kipper...when the poster Swerve(not you is it...or is it?) accused me of being a pornographer based on a complete untruth. This is a good forum,please do not ruin it with your vindictiveness based on nothing at all. Sorry about this mods....I reported orly a few weeks ago...theres a pattern emerging and its nothing to do with Everton.

Id suggest you take your post about someone at Everton siphoning money from the club by paying an inflated fee to a Russian club for Niasse to the solicitors first mate.

 

[orly]

Id suggest you take your post about someone at Everton siphoning money from the club by paying an inflated fee to a Russian club for Niasse to the solicitors first mate.

It'll still be there via an audit trail