The ****e Football Quarter

[WA Toffee]

For every Portsmouth, there's a Man City. For every Blackburn, there's a Chelsea. For every Leeds, there's a Tottenham. Hell, even Sunderland and Newcastle have had sustained investment, it's just been spent terribly.

I bloody hate seeing the bad case scenarios always thrown around, the "be careful what you wish for" line etc. There's plenty of success stories too. Who could take over? That's for more educated people than you or me to decide. I'd never heard of David Moyes before he managed us, and I never expected Nial Quinn to be behind a consortium to finance Sunderland. Think outside the square, and don't settle for the mediocre.

Yes there are plenty of success stories, however to reword your point - for every Man City there is a Portsmouth, For every Chelsea there is a Blackburn etc etc.
But just because the current board aren't very good, doesn't mean that we should settle for the first imaginary person to wave a fistfull of dollars at us.
Stephen Naismith isn't very good at right midfield, but no-one is saying that we should pick a name out of thin air to replace him. We want someone we know to be better. Rumours are that Martinez is looking at McGeady - as least now we have 2 options to consider and can make an informed judgement.
That's all I want when we talk about takeovers - tell me what the other option is. Chances are, if they can afford to buy Eveton, they are going to be better than the current board, but at least let me know what I am comparing.

 

[Thorny]

Yes there are plenty of success stories, however to reword your point - for every Man City there is a Portsmouth, For every Chelsea there is a Blackburn etc etc.
But just because the current board aren't very good, doesn't mean that we should settle for the first imaginary person to wave a fistfull of dollars at us.
Stephen Naismith isn't very good at right midfield, but no-one is saying that we should pick a name out of thin air to replace him. We want someone we know to be better. Rumours are that Martinez is looking at McGeady - as least now we have 2 options to consider and can make an informed judgement.
That's all I want when we talk about takeovers - tell me what the other option is. Chances are, if they can afford to buy Eveton, they are going to be better than the current board, but at least let me know what I am comparing.

Ah the ol' Glass Half-full vs Half-empty debate...

Can't give you any options because there dont seem to be any possible suitors at the moment...

 

[Elong]

Yes there are plenty of success stories, however to reword your point - for every Man City there is a Portsmouth, For every Chelsea there is a Blackburn etc etc.
But just because the current board aren't very good, doesn't mean that we should settle for the first imaginary person to wave a fistfull of dollars at us.
Stephen Naismith isn't very good at right midfield, but no-one is saying that we should pick a name out of thin air to replace him. We want someone we know to be better. Rumours are that Martinez is looking at McGeady - as least now we have 2 options to consider and can make an informed judgement.
That's all I want when we talk about takeovers - tell me what the other option is. Chances are, if they can afford to buy Eveton, they are going to be better than the current board, but at least let me know what I am comparing.

You say potato, I say there's plenty of better options in the world than Bill Kenwright. How would I know who's interested? Bill Gates could be for all anyone knows

 

[WA Toffee]

You say potato, I say there's plenty of better options in the world than Bill Kenwright. How would I know who's interested? Bill Gates could be for all anyone knows

If he is, I would definitely say Kenwright out........

 

[edge]

this is going to look great, anfield all bright and shiney an avenue leading up to it,area around it looking up, ground spruced up. then there us, in a rundown ground in a area that is increasingly getting rundown, with no plan a,b or c to do a thing about it, stagnation as normal under this board, not fit to run a once great club like ares.

 

[ToffeeDan]

It all depends what kind of business model is proposed. The Leeds model was just "throw some money in the general direction of the manager" and hope it comes off. So if you have an unlimited pot of gold and a decent sustainability package you can succeed. With neither a plan (other than one that lives hand to mouth and is designed to keep the banks at arms length) we aren't in the game - at the moment). Unless we have someone willing to invest in the club who, crucially, has the plan to go with it, we won't get anywhere.

Potentially we do have the pot of gold but right now we are using ours to stay in the game rather than build a legacy for growth.

In the absence of having the funding to make that leap it would be reasonable to hope that our CEOhas at least got something on paper that indicates what it would take to achieve these goals - a new stadium, corporate and hospitality packages etc etc. We do at least have the training facilities, the fanbase and the team ti take us partway there.. Just need the right owner to get us going. No doubt the FQ will make us even less attactive a bet - though any sensible investor must surely know that football allegiance is not something that is negotiable.

 

[edge]

It all depends what kind of business model is proposed. The Leeds model was just "throw some money in the general direction of the manager" and hope it comes off. So if you have an unlimited pot of gold and a decent sustainability package you can succeed. With neither a plan (other than one that lives hand to mouth and is designed to keep the banks at arms length) we aren't in the game - at the moment). Unless we have someone willing to invest in the club who, crucially, has the plan to go with it, we won't get anywhere. Potentially we do have the pot of gold but right now we are using ours to stay in the game rather than build a legacy for growth.

good post mate, we are treading water while they wait to get a return on there investment, which isnt going to come anytime soon if the last 13 years 24/7 seach is anything to go by, unless by some miracle we get new people in we will never move forward. couple of bad seasons and we could end up in a real mess

 

[Jags..class]

this is going to look great, anfield all bright and shiney an avenue leading up to it,area around it looking up, ground spruced up. then there us, in a rundown ground in a area that is increasingly getting rundown, with no plan a,b or c to do a thing about it, stagnation as normal under this board, not fit to run a once great club like ares.

The area by Everton is 100 times better then the area around anfield, its a digrace what happened at Anfield, I was brought up in anfield and it now nasty, houses all boarded up, and we talking about twenty streets. Liverpool football club done this and now going to get the credit for sorting it out when they did this on purpose. I'm not saying we nice and safe just that you cant the state of the areas at the moment. We need to start doing up our ground now cos we not going to be able to afford anything new. The Liverpool club are using their brand to get investors for the area, not sure we can do this to be fair.

 

[Moomin]

And replaced by whom? And please don't just say "some rich arab" or "anyone would be better than the current lot".
I am not a huge fan of the current board by any stretch of the imagination, but whenever talk turns to getting rid of them, I always come back to this basic question - who are you proposing instead?

If you want people to make a choice between 2 owners, tell them what the 2 choices are. So who is it that is going to come in and do better?

I'm not in a position to offer another choice, no-one here is able to that. But, we can judge the current board and ask ourselves " Have they done a good job?? " and the answer will be no. Other than Moyes doing a fantastic job of over achieving with the resources he had.

This board has failed in nearly every major project they have done, they don't deserve any more chances. In any other field, this board would have been removed and replaced with a new one. They are content to thread water, until a buyer who is willing to pay an excessive price for a business they have not invested one penny into.

We will continue to stand still, while the other clubs around us move forward. I can't accept this, and I won't get bought over with stories of Boys Pen and handlebars anymore.

If I don't perform in my job, my employers would not think " The next person, could be even worse, lets keep him " they would get rid of me. I'm viewing this board in them eyes, they have failed, they must go and let someone new have a go at moving us forward. 13 years is enough of a chance, they deserve no more time.

 

[edge]

The area by Everton is 100 times better then the area around anfield, its a digrace what happened at Anfield, I was brought up in anfield and it now nasty, houses all boarded up, and we talking about twenty streets. Liverpool football club done this and now going to get the credit for sorting it out when they did this on purpose. I'm not saying we nice and safe just that you cant the state of the areas at the moment. We need to start doing up our ground now cos we not going to be able to afford anything new. The Liverpool club are using their brand to get investors for the area, not sure we can do this to be fair.

anfield is a lot worse and a lot of it is down to lfc, but take the empty houses out of it and the areas are much the same, i was brought up on walton rd ,and lived just behind the ground for two years but over the last few years it deffo going downhill fast, as you say we arnt going to get a new ground soon so make the one we have a bit better and bring a bit of confidence back to the area and even if its just a little bit of what is going on in the football quarter, we cant afford to be left out of it completely, we havnt got the corprate brand of lfc thats true , but we arnt doing are self any favours again by just standing still, waiting for some one to drop a cost free new ground in are laps, while they get even stronger, total lack of vision at are club, and the only plan is stay in the prem till they get a return on there investment , nothing to take the club forward and hasnt been for years. sad the way its going

 

[GwladysBlue]

I don't disagree with you, but Leeds and Portsmouth also showed more ambition to improve. Venkys probably didn't buy Blackburn with the intention of taking them down. Cardiff fans don't seem to happy with playing in red. So how can I agree that someone else has to come in if I don't know who that someone else is?

That's a pretty lame argument mate. As just a supporter how would I possibly know what potential owners are out there for us? Though left to the Kenwright's apparent 24/7 search (which has found no one) for 13 years the closest he has came is seeking us to a man posing as an investor in a bed sit in Manchester! Keith Harris has been roughy in to find someone which is an absolute joke as well. The whole lot of them should step aside for a party with fresher ideas but that would play to the board's tune. Trevor Birch came in 9 years ago to warn Bill Kenwright of the consequences ahead and resigned just 6 weeks later.

The longer Kenwright and co cling on to the reigns of Everton then the more harm it will do us, the further we will fall away from the top clubs and the danger will increase that we will be left behind by the more ambitious clubs below us.

 

[Jags..class]

Its depressing that the rs have plans and we don't, we need some new men in, cant Bill hire savvy business men if we cant find owners.

 

[Ratkiller]

And replaced by whom? And please don't just say "some rich arab" or "anyone would be better than the current lot".
I am not a huge fan of the current board by any stretch of the imagination, but whenever talk turns to getting rid of them, I always come back to this basic question - who are you proposing instead?

If you want people to make a choice between 2 owners, tell them what the 2 choices are. So who is it that is going to come in and do better?

Does my head in when people trot out this line. It's not the fans job to find someone who can take the club forward.

 

[Lennonist]

You have to be a [Poor language removed] to make it, and that's a fact.

 

[TheFinnFan]

Summary:
They have dough
We dont have dough