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[Bluerover]

I wonder if that isn't exactly what they want.

It doesn't require riots - they only hurt decent people who have their hard-earned property destroyed with all of the consequences of insurers hammering them for higher premiums.

You need to galvanise an electorate that cries enough. Is the UK really in the grasp of these horrible, greedy, obnoxious, rulers that the decent population can't get them out of office by democratic will?

 

[ste d' indica]

It doesn't require riots - they only hurt decent people who have their hard-earned property destroyed with all of the consequences of insurers hammering them for higher premiums.

You need to galvanise an electorate that cries enough. Is the UK really in the grasp of these horrible, greedy, obnoxious, rulers that the decent population can't get them out of office by democratic will?

Its asymmetrical warfare mate. Labour are up against a divided voter base (the left vote is always split, plus the Brexit divide although I think that is receding), a toxic, well funded, right wing press that fills people's heads with absolute horseshit, and most of the rest are 'pliant', general voter apathy, but worst of all a tory party that values ignorance and just flat out lies now, relentlessly. Its extremely hard to challenge that.
I'm an auditor. When I go into an organisation there's rules to the game, you'll know this from what I know of your background, those tacit agreements and ground rules. If I finished an engagement, gave the organisation a report and said 'my team found this, this and this... you're carrying these risks and here's how you improve' and they turn round and say 'no you didn't, and all of that evidence doesn't matter, and anyway its all someone else's fault...'
Where do you go from there? How do you have any sort of engagement with people whose standard behaviour is to just deny objective reality and blame everyone else when they've been in charge for over a decade.
I'm not saying its impossible, but Labour have got the odds stacked against them before they even get on the field.

 

[Bluerover]

Its asymmetrical warfare mate. Labour are up against a divided voter base (the left vote is always split, plus the Brexit divide although I think that is receding), a toxic, well funded, right wing press that fills people's heads with absolute horseshit, and most of the rest are 'pliant', general voter apathy, but worst of all a tory party that values ignorance and just flat out lies now, relentlessly. Its extremely hard to challenge that.
I'm an auditor. When I go into an organisation there's rules to the game, you'll know this from what I know of your background, those tacit agreements and ground rules. If I finished an engagement, gave the organisation a report and said 'my team found this, this and this... you're carrying these risks and here's how you improve' and they turn round and say 'no you didn't, and all of that evidence doesn't matter, and anyway its all someone else's fault...'
Where do you go from there? How do you have any sort of engagement with people whose standard behaviour is to just deny objective reality and blame everyone else when they've been in charge for over a decade.
I'm not saying its impossible, but Labour have got the odds stacked against them before they even get on the field.

I appreciate your insight mate. Thankfully retired, and free from politicians, press and very powerful pressure groups.

BTW as an Irishman, I don't attempt to suggest which party might be best for the UK - nor do I for this little island.

However, I am frankly astonished at the behaviour of the current UK Government in everything they do - ignoring their own rules on COVID; breaching International Law in terms of the NI Protocol; and just continuing to wipe the faces of hard working tax payers, those who are unable to get employment through no fault of their own; and the horrible treatment of those who are fleeing war and oppression. Send them to Rwanda???? Sweet Lord!!

I had years of dealing with auditors from the EU Commission, from the C&AG, and from our own internal audit team. I respect what you and they do, and we had to make sure every i was dotted etc. If we got anything wrong, we faced potential major fines - esp from EU. However, it kept us on our toes.

Observing from a distance, it strikes me that BJ and his crew are completely condescending of any sort control/audit over their activities. Back to my earlier question....has the UK electorate just rolled over??

 

[mahermi1]

Meanwhile, in cesspit land :

There is no limit is there...

 

[ste d' indica]

I appreciate your insight mate. Thankfully retired, and free from politicians, press and very powerful pressure groups.

BTW as an Irishman, I don't attempt to suggest which party might be best for the UK - nor do I for this little island.

However, I am frankly astonished at the behaviour of the current UK Government in everything they do - ignoring their own rules on COVID; breaching International Law in terms of the NI Protocol; and just continuing to wipe the faces of hard working tax payers, those who are unable to get employment through no fault of their own; and the horrible treatment of those who are fleeing war and oppression. Send them to Rwanda???? Sweet Lord!!

I had years of dealing with auditors from the EU Commission, from the C&AG, and from our own internal audit team. I respect what you and they do, and we had to make sure every i was dotted etc. If we got anything wrong, we faced potential major fines - esp from EU. However, it kept us on our toes.

Observing from a distance, it strikes me that BJ and his crew are completely condescending of any sort control/audit over their activities. Back to my earlier question....has the UK electorate just rolled over??

I don't think so mate, its just illustrating the scale of the task. That said, the tories are running out of road I think. More people are starting to twig that they haven't 'governed" since about 2018, they're just a perpetual campaigning machine.
BTW, the point I was making about riots, just for clarity, the tories would love it, gives them an excuse to go even more Norsefire.

 

[JammyP]

 

[JammyP]

Conservative Friends of Russia group disbands with immediate effect

After 10 years of operation, the Conservative Friends of Russia group has disbanded

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

 

[ste d' indica]

Conservative Friends of Russia group disbands with immediate effect

After 10 years of operation, the Conservative Friends of Russia group has disbanded

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

In other news, Russian Friends of Conservatives group still going strong.

 

[summerisle]

*awaits the Asda's own brand Soyent Green.

 

[Walken]

Folks, I am really concerned about the UK at this stage - God Knows ROI is not perfect, but this Tory Government just seems to be out of any control as regards cop on, morals, ethics, God forbid -actual intelligence.

When will the great mass of ordinary hard working decent UK citizens cry ENOUGH?

When they are told to once a Labour party have moved right enough for our media to accept them

 

[gonetomorrow]

She's managed to punt him over to Rwanda. One way ticket. Prince Charles too. There's a bonus.

 

[Baines' left foot]

Wow

 

[summerisle]

 

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