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[mahermi1]

Of course. If the photo was taken by no.10’s official photographer then it was an official work event.….

You never actually minded who took the Kier Starmer beergate photo did you Pete... Hmmm I wonder why.. Also I don't remember many official work events on site where there were about half a dozen empty wine bottles present, half eaten buffet during an illegal party in a pandemic. Then again I've only worked for about 47 years...

 

[peteblue]

You see Pete, when I was in work (civil service management), I was trained as an internal investigator into internal financial fraud carried out by staff against the Department (the Benefits Agency which came within the ambit of the DSS - paying state benefits to claimants). That training covered PACE 84 and all of its attendant regulations at the time, but we were trained on a whole lot more things (that the police are not) that I will not go into here. So I KNOW how an investigation is conducted. I KNOW the whole interviewing process and gathering information process. I KNOW how to prepare a case for prosecution (preparing all the documentation that would pass ANY legal scrutiny) that would potentially lead to a successful prosecution. So don't try to school me on that particular area. If the police have seen fit to issue over 100 fines pursuant to their investigation, then the primary evidence/information is there with them. And for your information, the photograph is primary evidence; who took the photograph and why is supplementary information. Whereas the two are linked, it is the primary evidence that carries the weight, NOT who took the photograph, and why.

Excellent. So you know that the Police have the photo, and you will know that they will have taken evidence from members in attendance, and you will know that they have not issued the PM with a fine for this. So you know that this photograph is telling you nothing more than the Police have already considered and dismissed…..

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Good time line of events.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Excellent. So you know that the Police have the photo, and you will know that they will have taken evidence from members in attendance, and you will know that they have not issued the PM with a fine for this. So you know that this photograph is telling you nothing more than the Police have already considered and dismissed…..

You don't have a clue do you (as I said in a previous post).

A photograph is a singular piece of information/evidence. An investigation follows on from that piece of evidence.

And IF the PM has not been issued with a fine on that occasion, it does not mean that a party was not taking place.

I suspect your cogniscence does not go as far as realising that the top strata of society ensures that it protects its own. Until the point is reached when the position is untenable in such protection, and then the individual is absolutely cut loose (cf: Lord Lucan in the 1970s).

 

[peteblue]

You never actually minded who took the Kier Starmer beergate photo did you Pete... Hmmm I wonder why.. Also I don't remember many official work events on site where there were about half a dozen empty wine bottles present, half eaten buffet during an illegal party in a pandemic. Then again I've only worked for about 47 years...

I didn’t care because I believe both events (Boris and Keir) are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. I too worked for an awful long time and I remember a great many board meetings and review meetings where alcohol was poured either during or after the meeting, although until Covid I’d never lived through a pandemic. I would also place money on the fact that a great many such meetings continued in the same manner during the pandemic.…

 

[summerisle]

I didn’t care because I believe both events (Boris and Keir) are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. I too worked for an awful long time and I remember a great many board meetings and review meetings where alcohol was poured either during or after the meeting, although until Covid I’d never lived through a pandemic. I would also place money on the fact that a great many such meetings continued in the same manner during the pandemic.…

 

[Alan Whittle]

I didn’t care because I believe both events (Boris and Keir) are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. I too worked for an awful long time and I remember a great many board meetings and review meetings where alcohol was poured either during or after the meeting, although until Covid I’d never lived through a pandemic. I would also place money on the fact that a great many such meetings continued in the same manner during the pandemic.…

As you know @peteblue, this is not about whether alcohol was consumed, but whether the PM lied to Parliament and if so, whether he should resign, as you yourself agreed that he should.
Meanwhile, your confidence in the effectiveness and integrity of the Met Police is touching.

 

[mahermi1]

I didn’t care because I believe both events (Boris and Keir) are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things. I too worked for an awful long time and I remember a great many board meetings and review meetings where alcohol was poured either during or after the meeting, although until Covid I’d never lived through a pandemic. I would also place money on the fact that a great many such meetings continued in the same manner during the pandemic.…

Yes they did, ask Boris... C'mon have some dignity admit it he should resign, guilty as charged he's a compulsive liar, who has been caught out lying to the House and the whole Country. He's took us all for fools. How you can deny what your seeing and hearing is beyond me.

 

[mahermi1]

Excellent. So you know that the Police have the photo, and you will know that they will have taken evidence from members in attendance, and you will know that they have not issued the PM with a fine for this. So you know that this photograph is telling you nothing more than the Police have already considered and dismissed…..

At least one other member at that party was given a fine, why not Boris ? Cover up...So you've gone back on your word then... There are no limits with you, we can safely say that now. If that was Starmer , even though he wasn't Prime Minister of didn't make the laws of rules of the Pandemic at the time, I would expect, no demand that he resigned.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Excellent. So you know that the Police have the photo, and you will know that they will have taken evidence from members in attendance, and you will know that they have not issued the PM with a fine for this. So you know that this photograph is telling you nothing more than the Police have already considered and dismissed…..

Pete, are you aware of the concept of the establishment?

 

[peteblue]

You don't have a clue do you (as I said in a previous post).

A photograph is a singular piece of information/evidence. An investigation follows on from that piece of evidence.

And IF the PM has not been issued with a fine on that occasion, it does not mean that a party was not taking place.

I suspect your cogniscence does not go as far as realising that the top strata of society ensures that it protects its own. Until the point is reached when the position is untenable in such protection, and then the individual is absolutely cut loose (cf: Lord Lucan in the 1970s).

I‘m awful sorry that I didn’t go on this course you did. It must have been fascinating. I just wasted my life flying around the world reviewing major programmes and businesses in order to get to the bottom of what actually was going on, nothing like as clever as you sorting out Lord Lucan. Something I also did for the Cabinet Office and the NAO while heading an international organisation funded by other multinationals. I always wondered why both brought senior people in from Industry to determine what was going on in Civil Service programmes, now I understand….

oh, and I know I didn’t do the course but I think the word you were trying to use was Cognisance not Cognisence …

 

[peteblue]

At least one other member at that party was given a fine, why not Boris ? Cover up...So you've gone back on your word then... There are no limits with you, we can safely say that now. If that was Starmer , even though he wasn't Prime Minister of didn't make the laws of rules of the Pandemic at the time, I would expect, no demand that he resigned.

Like you I have no idea. He may have been invited in to say a few words before carrying on working, hence the red box. The fine May have been given to whoever organised the event, and it may have continued after the PM left. I don’t know, and neither does anyone just by looking at the picture. I’m sure everything will be revealed in the coming days, but jumping in with both boots on before we know is perhaps premature……

 

[peteblue]

The court of public opinion….hahahaha

 

[peteblue]

As you know @peteblue, this is not about whether alcohol was consumed, but whether the PM lied to Parliament and if so, whether he should resign, as you yourself agreed that he should.
Meanwhile, your confidence in the effectiveness and integrity of the Met Police is touching.

Not really, but until the report comes out and Boris gets grilled over it, nobody really knows do they. Obviously Rayner and Sadiq have jumped straight in, but I would have suggested to both that they pause, think and wait…..

 

[peteblue]

Pete, are you aware of the concept of the establishment?

I didn’t do that course….