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Walken said:
Johnson is vermin and I don't mind O'Brian usually, but he is playing to gallery a bit here, Churchill was an imperialistic bellend, his particular skillset very suited a particular circumstance, but the flowery language that surrounds him hides a dark past in my opinion
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Agree with that. Very dangerous judging people with the benefit of hindsight, but Johnson is a slippery toad that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw him.
 
Walken said:
Johnson is vermin and I don't mind O'Brian usually, but he is playing to gallery a bit here, Churchill was an imperialistic bellend, his particular skillset very suited a particular circumstance, but the flowery language that surrounds him hides a dark past in my opinion
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To be fair though he’s right about Johnson’s serial dishonesty and I’m not in a position to throw stones about relationships but like Trump and so many other politicians of that particular colour I find it amazing how the supporters of family values dismiss the ‘sins’ of their hero’s .
 
Harryflashman said:
To be fair though he’s right about Johnson’s serial dishonesty and I’m not in a position to throw stones about relationships but like Trump and so many other politicians of that particular colour I find it amazing how the supporters of family values dismiss the ‘sins’ of their hero’s .
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I'm less staggered by any personal values we may or may not have, and figure that if we're relying on politicians to show moral virtue we might be waiting a long time, but there has been quite belligerent defence of the apparent nuance of campaign tactics, such as the £350m advert, used by Johnson et al, when there is a growing mountain of evidence not only of his dishonesty but his willingness to do whatever it takes to further his own career. Despite all of that, there is a belief that they weren't lied to by a man whose sole interest was furthering his own career. I know there are a whole bunch of psychological quirks that distort both our perceptions and our decision making, but I reckon people could make a career out of chronicling the mental gymnastics some are pulling to portray the current situation as one that is going just according to plan.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I'm less staggered by any personal values we may or may not have, and figure that if we're relying on politicians to show moral virtue we might be waiting a long time, but there has been quite belligerent defence of the apparent nuance of campaign tactics, such as the £350m advert, used by Johnson et al, when there is a growing mountain of evidence not only of his dishonesty but his willingness to do whatever it takes to further his own career. Despite all of that, there is a belief that they weren't lied to by a man whose sole interest was furthering his own career. I know there are a whole bunch of psychological quirks that distort both our perceptions and our decision making, but I reckon people could make a career out of chronicling the mental gymnastics some are pulling to portray the current situation as one that is going just according to plan.
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I said yesterday we are in a post truth era and we are . not to attack a poster here but he wrote something that wasn’t true , doubled down on it and then said well regardless of that the point still stands . The only response was from another poster criticising people for pulling him up .

It is relevant, facts are relevant I’m sent links and pictures of stuff by friends everyday be it quotes from footballers or political stuff and the vast majority just isn’t true and these aren’t stupid people . It’s genuinely frightening and I’m as guilty because a)I’m sure I’ve done it probably many times and b) because I’ve just stopped telling them .

Where we’ll be in 10 years is the worry .
 
Harryflashman said:
I said yesterday we are in a post truth era and we are . not to attack a poster here but he wrote something that wasn’t true , doubled down on it and then said well regardless of that the point still stands . The only response was from another poster criticising people for pulling him up .

It is relevant, facts are relevant I’m sent links and pictures of stuff by friends everyday be it quotes from footballers or political stuff and the vast majority just isn’t true and these aren’t stupid people . It’s genuinely frightening and I’m as guilty because a)I’m sure I’ve done it probably many times and b) because I’ve just stopped telling them .

Where we’ll be in 10 years is the worry .
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There has been a fertile ground created hasn't there? I don't think anyone would ever claim that 'experts' are right all the time, and there's certainly no shortage of evidence to support that, but equally you would hope that most would agree that thinking about the best course of action is better than not thinking about it. Yet by debasing experts or the 'mainstream elite', it's created not only an environment whereby they can say whatever they like (and it often be believed) but also that their own failures can be blamed on this supposed elite.

The irony is that comparisons have been made between the EU and 30's era Germany, when in reality the opposite is largely the case. The 'liberal consensus' has support from across society, from academia to industry, yet the brave new world espoused by Trump and Brexit literally only has any kind of support from the politicians pushing that agenda and their mouthpieces in the press.

Even nearly two years on, there has been no real academic and thorough plan for how Brexit can work, which given how the Tories have bet their house on it you would imagine they've certainly looked under every stone to find one, yet we have nothing at all.
 
Tubey said:
https://news.sky.com/story/proposed-upskirting-law-blocked-by-tory-mp-11405840

I hate saying this phrase but... you couldn't make that up. A real life Tory nasty party stereotype right there.
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A Brexiteer who pushed through the poll tax and objected to a debate on Hillsborough no less lol

He also opposes gay marriage and wants to reintroduce the death penalty. Feckin' 'ell. :Blink: Yet he was deemed such to be honoured as a knight of the realm earlier this year. Brexit socking it to the establishment.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
A Brexiteer who pushed through the poll tax and objected to a debate on Hillsborough no less lol

He also opposes gay marriage and wants to reintroduce the death penalty. Feckin' 'ell. :Blink: Yet he was deemed such to be honoured as a knight of the realm earlier this year. Brexit socking it to the establishment.
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He got his OBE for the sterling work he did in helping sell off vast swathes of Council housing stock.

What a guy.
 
I hope the media are going to get him to publicly explain his objection to having the act of people taking unwanted pictures of female genitals being deemed unlawful, because I am genuinely fascinated to hear it.
 
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