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[ToffeeTim]

She is a dead woman walking anyway, Labour know that they can push for her to be got rid of at any time but why push now as if it forced an election they would inherit the dogs dinner that is Brexit. Let the Tories mess that up and pick up the pieces after. That would be my strategy anyway, but when the next election campaign comes around keep Abbott well out of the limelight and off the tv.

It's in the interests of the labour party to make sure May is still the PM at the next election.

I've never seen a time like this before where the biggest political assets for each of the two main parties are the liabilities on the other side.

 

[hullefc]

May's hostile 'get the immigrants and British people out' has resulted in increased racism. May should resign, she is up to her neck in the proverbial.

Immigration policies to blame for rising racism, says victim

 

[hullefc]

Now he is in the spotlight to deal with May's mess he will come under even more scrutiny. Is it on the cards he will proscribe Momentum as a terrorist organisation? Same old with the Tory gang sleaze follows them around. It wont be long before it is TATA Javid and the Tories.


Sajid Javid: New UK Home Secretary's links to tax-evading bank and Grenfell response in spotlight
Published time: 30 Apr, 2018 17:25
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Sajid Javid arrived outside his new place of work at the Home Office with a sense of purpose but he is already being asked questions about his dubious links to a known tax-evading bank.


The UK Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that Deutsche Bank and UBS had set up a “contrived” scheme to allow the banks and their bankers to escape £135mn ($192mn) in tax on bonuses, which was unlawful, according to a Reuters report.

Javid is said to have worked for Deutsche Bank, US President Donald Trump’s bank of choice, as a director in 2000 and then as a managing director in 2004. He left the bank in 2009, when his salary would have been around £3mn ($4.1mn) a year, according to Bloomberg, to start a career in politics.

Labour MP for Leeds East, Richard Burgon responding to the announcement of the new home secretary took to Twitter to highlight Javid’s colossal salary at Deutsche Bank and to point out that he “voted 16 times against a bankers' bonus tax.”


Richard Burgon MP

✔@RichardBurgon

Sajid Javid reportedly earned £3 MILLION a year as an investment banker before being elected to Parliament, where he voted 16 TIMES against a Bankers' Bonus Tax.

Another Tory protecting the few and ignoring the many.

11:56 AM - Apr 30, 2018


When pressed by presenter Jon Snow on Channel 4 News as to whether he knew about Deutsche Bank adopting a system, which helped them evade British taxes by paying senior employees through a Cayman Island entity, Javid could not confirm that he didn’t know about the scheme. He could only declare that he had “never benefited from such a scheme.”


Mr Ethical

✔@nw_nicholas

Amber Rudd didn't know about targets. Sajid Javid didn't know about tax evasion http://nicholaswilson.com/7243-2/

2:21 PM - Apr 30, 2018


The new home secretary has also faced criticism over his handling of the rehousing of the Grenfell survivors in his previous role as minister for communities and local government. In the immediate aftermath of the Grenfell fire, Sky News reported that Theresa May’s government had promised that residents of Grenfell would be rehoused “within three weeks at the latest.”

Javid, the minister at the time tasked with making this happen, failed to deliver on this promise. Furthermore, in an address to parliament last month concerning the issue of rehousing, he said that those left homeless following the Grenfell fire would not be rehoused within the year of the disaster taking place, according to The Guardian.


Emma Dent Coad

✔@emmadentcoad

Last month Sajid Javid admitted that all those made homeless by the Grenfell Tower fire would not be rehoused within a year. His department has overseen nearly 11 months of failure. Now he takes over at the Home Office as we fight immigration issues connected to Grenfell.

10:31 AM - Apr 30, 2018


In an extraordinary claim last month during questions in the House of Commons, Javid said that pro-Jeremy Corbyn organization Momentum was a “hard left neo-fascist” organization. This claim could come back to haunt him when one of his tasks as home secretary is to ban terrorist groups, some of whom are neo-fascist, under the Terrorism Act 2000.

Javid’s personal beliefs have also come under the spotlight with the Spectator previously reporting that he reads the courtroom scene from The Fountainhead – novel by Russian-American author and philosopher Ayn Rand who developed a system called Objectivism – twice a year. The author is lauded by neo-conservatives and libertarians in the US, though adherence to her beliefs is less common in British politics.


Jon Stone

✔@joncstone

Sajid Javid told Parliament that Momentum are a ‘neo-fascist’ group. As Home Secretary he’s now in charge of banning neo-fascist groups under the Terrorism Act 2000 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/sajid-javid-momentum-neo-facist-labour-party-antisemitisim-jewish-a8280601.html …

10:37 AM - Apr 30, 2018


The MP explains that the passage is about the “power of the individual,” which some may suggest works perfectly with UK conservatism; neo-liberal individualism over socialist collectivism. Apparently, the passage didn’t go down too well with his now wife, who threatened to leave him if he ever tried to read it to her again.


Liam Young

✔@liamyoung

Sajid Javid supported and voted for every element of Theresa May's hostile environment.

10:32 AM - Apr 30, 2018



Tory Fibs@ToryFibs

Sajid Javid:

•voted to make it an offence to rent a home to those without a right to rent
•voted AGAINST banning detention for pregnant immigrants
•voted to EXTEND deportation powers
•voted for migrant status checks on bank account openings
•voted to REPEAL Human Rights Act

11:45 AM - Apr 30, 2018


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[flibbyflob]

It's in the interests of the labour party to make sure May is still the PM at the next election.

I've never seen a time like this before where the biggest political assets for each of the two main parties are the liabilities on the other side.

There is no chance she will be as the Tories won't let her run another election campaign after the disaster she had last time. The only question is when she goes after Brexit is done.

 

[ToffeeTim]

There is no chance she will be as the Tories won't let her run another election campaign after the disaster she had last time. The only question is when she goes after Brexit is done.

Yeah you're almost certainly right. But I think she feels like she's a bit safer right now.

 

[hullefc]

May is a lame duck more and more Tories are out to get her and sections of the media know this. Her problems just mount by the hour. Now it is the Standards turn, 'The London Evening Standard has a report suggesting Theresa May personally vetoed pleas in the Cabinet for visas for NHS doctors'. Earlier Fox was going on about 'hostile environment' to add to his outburst over the Lord's vote.

Liam Fox says parliament could gain power to 'delay Brexit indefinitely'
Parliament will have the power to “delay exit from the EU indefinitely” unless the “meaningful vote” defeat in the House of Lords is overturned, Liam Fox says.

"Liam Fox said there is no form of customs union with the EU that "could ever be acceptable".

The Cabinet minister said the Government must not have "its hands tied".

June election after the flag waving royal wedding is looking ,ore and more likely.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

A third election in three years with a referendum into the mix would be absurd. They're cretins the lot of them.

 

[orchard]

A third election in three years with a referendum into the mix would be absurd. They're cretins the lot of them.

The whinnying from all quarters in the debate just before May's first volley of empty threats regarding Salisbury is a good example. Thank feck for the HOL.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The whinnying from all quarters in the debate just before May's first volley of empty threats regarding Salisbury is a good example. Thank feck for the HOL.

I do wonder at times if it's the environment MPs are placed in. I mean the majority of Lords were MPs at one point, and they were probably derided as plonkers when they were. Taken out of the environment whereby they are both under constant scrutiny and at the behest of a whimsical electorate and they can be capable of wisdom and humility.

 

[orchard]

I do wonder at times if it's the environment MPs are placed in. I mean the majority of Lords were MPs at one point, and they were probably derided as plonkers when they were. Taken out of the environment whereby they are both under constant scrutiny and at the behest of a whimsical electorate and they can be capable of wisdom and humility.

I don't think you can blame the electorate. Look at how much they're attempting to distort the Brexit vote to suit their own agenda. Deselection/whipping is probably the big difference, and the HoC member's attempts to grab headlines for short-term gain. Institutionalised parties don't help either.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't think you can blame the electorate. Look at how much they're attempting to distort the Brexit vote to suit their own agenda. Deselection/whipping is probably the big difference, and the HoC member's attempts to grab headlines for short-term gain. Institutionalised parties don't help either.

Of course not the electorate in a direct sense. I doubt many MPs could name more than a handful of people in their constituencies (apart from Saint Abbott of Hackney etc.), but people are creatures of their environment. Put people in different environments and they'll behave very differently. I wonder if the environment of the commons (including the way the media report, the way MPs are elected, the relatively short term of office etc.) conspire to bring out the worst in them?

 

[Tubey]

I do wonder at times if it's the environment MPs are placed in. I mean the majority of Lords were MPs at one point, and they were probably derided as plonkers when they were. Taken out of the environment whereby they are both under constant scrutiny and at the behest of a whimsical electorate and they can be capable of wisdom and humility.

It's more that they're not subject to the whip. The MPs are rarely allowed to vote honestly - they're told to vote in accordance with the wishes of the PM/cabinet.

The Lords removes that. The vast majority of MPs privately think Brexit is the dumbest thing imaginable, but they're not allowed to vote with their conscience.

 

[orchard]

Of course not the electorate in a direct sense. I doubt many MPs could name more than a handful of people in their constituencies (apart from Saint Abbott of Hackney etc.), but people are creatures of their environment. Put people in different environments and they'll behave very differently. I wonder if the environment of the commons (including the way the media report, the way MPs are elected, the relatively short term of office etc.) conspire to bring out the worst in them?

The party element certainly. I'd also like to see the end to lobbying and donors, with improved access/systems for communication as an individual citizen only.

 

[orchard]

It's more that they're not subject to the whip. The MPs are rarely allowed to vote honestly - they're told to vote in accordance with the wishes of the PM/cabinet.

The Lords removes that. The vast majority of MPs privately think Brexit is the dumbest thing imaginable, but they're not allowed to vote with their conscience.

They have to vote with their conscience, that's why there is a whip 'line' system in the first place.

 

[Tubey]

They have to vote with their conscience, that's why there is a whip 'line' system in the first place.

I'm perhaps misinterpreting what you are saying, but... no, absolutely not. The whip system exists to get MPs to vote with the wishes of the party leadership, not with their conscience. Indeed, it's the absolute opposite of voting with your conscience.