Current Affairs The Conservative Party

[woomy]

Have you never heard of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. Boris drank a glass of wine, Blair invaded Iraq. One steered us through Covid and kept the economy and jobs afloat, one has made millions advising despots. Boris deserves a kicking, and he will get it, but even Starmer appears to like a drink with his staff…

Boris steered us through nothing. Everything he and his government did and are doing was a reaction to the media frenzy. They are the ones who set the tone Don't forget his first instinct was to let it run wild. Remember herd immunity idea and all the missed meetings, not locking the borders etc. Then all this stuff now about not following his governments own rules.
He didn't keep the economy afloat. I can't imagine he has the foggiest about econimcs. His mate next door is credited with the financial stuff. I don't think you can find a single credible source who says Boris influenced the financial side of things. Other that Rishi old pal, would you be so kind as to sort this one out.

 

[woomy]

I've just been watching it, no issues paying for it.

I am the opposite. I can't imagine I will decide to pay for the BBC. Other than the tourist, I can't even think of the last time I thought hmm, wonder what is on the old BBC tonight. Also not listened to any of their radio stations for donkeys years.
For me. It is just £14 a month down the drain. For something I don't actually bother with.

 

[gonetomorrow]

I like the thought of watching and listening to media that doesn't have adverts every five minutes. I reckon the licence fee is good value.
Did it say in the Tories manifesto that they were intending to do this?

 

[sbbefc]

I like the thought of watching and listening to media that doesn't have adverts every five minutes. I reckon the licence fee is good value.
Did it say in the Tories manifesto that they were intending to do this?

Taken as a whole the licence fee imo isn't that bad. I ignore bbc1 but bbc2, 4, some of the radio stuff and podcast are decent and no adverts. Their online media is my go to too. Would be sad to see it go. And as you say, when was this ever mentioned in any manifesto?!

 

[woomy]

Taken as a whole the licence fee imo isn't that bad. I ignore bbc1 but bbc2, 4, some of the radio stuff and podcast are decent and no adverts. Their online media is my go to too. Would be sad to see it go. And as you say, when was this ever mentioned in any manifesto?!

When is the freeze to? 24? Then announce abolish fee a little after that.
Hmm, election in 24. Look here old dears and people of Surrey. no license fee. Oh and you lot up north who are freezing to death cause we have still abandoned you and gas prices are £3k a year. Here is £160. Slap that on your prepay meter.
Gone from get Brexit done. To get heating done.
Labour will have to offer it as well or it will be look at them making the old folk pay the licence fees whilst energy prices are rising and inflation is at 10%. How will the old dears cope

 

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[Kurt.]

Have you never heard of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. Boris drank a glass of wine, Blair invaded Iraq. One steered us through Covid and kept the economy and jobs afloat, one has made millions advising despots. Boris deserves a kicking, and he will get it, but even Starmer appears to like a drink with his staff…

Yeah but worrabout…. Worrabout.. worrabout… come on Pete ffs.. surely you have more respect for yourself than to defend this shower mate

 

[Paris]

Is there anything about the United Kingdom that the Conservative Party actually likes?

The NHS
The Queen
The Civil Service
The BBC
Free and informative media
The right to protest
International respect for our country

All of the above have been greatly diminished over the past twelve years of Tory Government. If you’re a patriot then the Tories are your enemy.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

 

[DuuuncanHadaPigeon]

Have you never heard of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. Boris drank a glass of wine, Blair invaded Iraq. One steered us through Covid and kept the economy and jobs afloat, one has made millions advising despots. Boris deserves a kicking, and he will get it, but even Starmer appears to like a drink with his staff…

OK these two statements can be true and are not mutually exclusive.

Blair shouldn't have invaded Iraq and should be rightly criticized for it

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a proven liar who is not fit to run the country.

It is perfectly reasonable to hold both of these views, why do you always try to push this narrative that Alexander is beyond reproach because 20 years ago a labour PM invaded a country he shouldn't have?

It is the most idiotic argument I have seen from you. I bet you think it is a real zinger and you have got one over the 'liberal lefties' every time you post it, but in fact it is just stupid, it offers nothing to the discussion and to me just proves you are actually an idiot who thinks he is smart

 

[larrygobfiend]

Have you never heard of Blair, Mandelson and Campbell. Boris drank a glass of wine, Blair invaded Iraq. One steered us through Covid and kept the economy and jobs afloat, one has made millions advising despots. Boris deserves a kicking, and he will get it, but even Starmer appears to like a drink with his staff…

Boris simp

 

[peteblue]

Yeah but worrabout…. Worrabout.. worrabout… come on Pete ffs.. surely you have more respect for yourself than to defend this shower mate

Unfortunately there is no credible alternative, either within the Conservatives or the Labour Party. Has Boris made an arse of this partygate, of course, but has he delivered an outstanding vaccination programme and kept the economy going during both Brexit and the Pandemic, yes he has. Him having a glass of wine in his garden and Starmer having a bottle of beer in meeting room are no different and in my mind both of them are non-events that have been whipped up by the media. Does Boris tell lies, of course he does, just like every other Politician has done for millennia. Some events have great consequences (financial and otherwise) for our country, but a glass of wine (or a bottle of beer) after a hard days work shouldn’t be one of them…..

 

[Kurt.]

Unfortunately there is no credible alternative, either within the Conservatives or the Labour Party. Has Boris made an arse of this partygate, of course, but has he delivered an outstanding vaccination programme and kept the economy going during both Brexit and the Pandemic, yes he has. Him having a glass of wine in his garden and Starmer having a bottle of beer in meeting room are no different and in my mind both of them are non-events that have been whipped up by the media. Does Boris tell lies, of course he does, just like every other Politician has done for millennia. Some events have great consequences (financial and otherwise) for our country, but a glass of wine (or a bottle of beer) after a hard days work shouldn’t be one of them…..

I honestly thought better of you

*shakes head in disappointment

 

[peteblue]

…

I honestly thought better of you

*shakes head in disappointment

Unfortunately we will probably always see politics through different lenses….

 

[Martin Alvito]

Unfortunately there is no credible alternative, either within the Conservatives or the Labour Party.

Bingo.

You have met people who would be better at governance than the leaders of the major parties. The major parties do not promote them to leadership. As far as I know, this is true across first-past-the-post electoral systems these days.

This has been true since the era of the sound bite. It has gotten worse in the era of the tweet and TikTok.

It is impossible to govern when success depends upon what you can pack into a six-second attention span, because actual solutions to real-world problems require more time to explain. If we stopped electing people on the basis of their ability to produce lines like "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" and "I feel your pain!" and started electing them on the basis of competence and substance, we would get better results.

That would require the electorate to actually pay attention, but Converse et al proved that people don't do that anymore, and not coincidentally that research was done right before we went from electing people like Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower to people like Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon. The former lot can win a two-front war with multiple major powers; the latter can find a way to start and lose a war with a minor power despite having the resources to put men on the moon.

We elect nimrods who make for good TV because that's what modern media selects for. Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer would be great characters in Downton Abbey. It absolutely doesn't follow that we want them running things. That was more or less the entire point of the show.