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[NilSatisOptimum]

Trying to imagine it from his perspective - he’s probably feeling a bit miffed that lots of people in his party have been milking their positions for personal gain yet he’s the one who gets nailed.

Very true. As he said, politics is cruel, certainly is when Boris is your boss, only one thing matters and that's Boris. At least Patterson can stop his part time MP job and concentrate fully on his food lobbying.

 

[Tubey]

‘Absolute madness’: circus around an MP that riled the Commons

Backbenchers infuriated as reality dawned and Owen Paterson’s path swerved from invincibility to hasty departure

www.theguardian.com

Read this. It's unbelievable.

 

[Kurt.]

Just watched an interview with that nadin zahawe ??? He’s basically admitted that he hadn’t read the report into Owen Paterson before voting on the issue…. When this was pointed out he could hardly get his words out….. honestly how people vote for these charlatans is beyond belief… they’re laughing at you.

 

[Martin Alvito]

‘Absolute madness’: circus around an MP that riled the Commons

Backbenchers infuriated as reality dawned and Owen Paterson’s path swerved from invincibility to hasty departure

www.theguardian.com

Read this. It's unbelievable.

I don't know about it being unbelievable. It sounds like regular order in the US and UK these days. Leadership over here (on both sides of the aisle) quite regularly schedules votes on half-ream sheafs of legislation with hours' notice, reasoning that they can ram things through if the members have no opportunity to actually read and comprehend what they're being asked to vote for. They often have enough retaliatory power to punish defections, and so the members grumble and often do as they are bid.

This just happens to be a case where that manner of doing things backfired spectacularly, as it inevitably will from time to time.

 

[ste d' indica]

‘Absolute madness’: circus around an MP that riled the Commons

Backbenchers infuriated as reality dawned and Owen Paterson’s path swerved from invincibility to hasty departure

www.theguardian.com

Read this. It's unbelievable.

All too believable sadly T.

 

[ste d' indica]

lol

 

[BlueToff]

I thought it was just the UK that was having a spike?

 

[BlueToff]

That isn’t to say it’s not grim everywhere, but everywhere is having issues with peaks and troughs of cases because it’s just sweeping through populations, hitting immunity, and then coming back a few weeks later and the cycle starts again. Like any other bug.

Speaking of, I’ve got an awful cough that I haven’t been able to shake for a week, and a cold. Have tested negative for covid on 2 x LFs and 1 x PCR, so it’s not that. But it is what it is. I picked it up because I went down to London for the first time in 18 months, just got to get on with it.

 

[DanEFC92]

That isn’t to say it’s not grim everywhere, but everywhere is having issues with peaks and troughs of cases because it’s just sweeping through populations, hitting immunity, and then coming back a few weeks later and the cycle starts again. Like any other bug.

Speaking of, I’ve got an awful cough that I haven’t been able to shake for a week, and a cold. Have tested negative for covid on 2 x LFs and 1 x PCR, so it’s not that. But it is what it is. I picked it up because I went down to London for the first time in 18 months, just got to get on with it.

Wrong thread?

 

[tsubaki]

I don't know about it being unbelievable. It sounds like regular order in the US and UK these days. Leadership over here (on both sides of the aisle) quite regularly schedules votes on half-ream sheafs of legislation with hours' notice, reasoning that they can ram things through if the members have no opportunity to actually read and comprehend what they're being asked to vote for. They often have enough retaliatory power to punish defections, and so the members grumble and often do as they are bid.

This just happens to be a case where that manner of doing things backfired spectacularly, as it inevitably will from time to time.

It’s a point I’ve mentioned before, but if anyone is surprised by this they should go and read about the Norway Debate of 1940.

Britain on its knees, a PM and Government who’d failed utterly, three days of everyone knowledgeable in the Commons (including Tory MPs actually serving in the military at the time, ex-Cabinet ministers, an ex-PM, even an Admiral of the Fleet in full uniform) utterly slating what was going on and how Chamberlain had been running the war.

Tory MPs asked to vote on it, a Government majority of 81.

They’ve always valued loyalty to the party over everything else.

 

[Martin Alvito]

It’s a point I’ve mentioned before, but if anyone is surprised by this they should go and read about the Norway Debate of 1940.

Britain on its knees, a PM and Government who’d failed utterly, three days of everyone knowledgeable in the Commons (including Tory MPs actually serving in the military at the time, ex-Cabinet ministers, an ex-PM, even an Admiral of the Fleet in full uniform) utterly slating what was going on and how Chamberlain had been running the war.

Tory MPs asked to vote on it, a Government majority of 81.

They’ve always valued loyalty to the party over everything else.

If you look through the annals of history looking for corruption, incompetence and slavish party loyalty you won't have to work all that hard to find it. The Tories aren't the only ones. Debatably, they're worse than most across time and space.

The whole "here's your two-hundred-and-fifty page assignment, test in four hours" thing is new, though. Past PMs, Speakers and Majority Leaders that had tried to pull that nonsense would have found themselves with a caucus/party in open revolt, and themselves out of a job. Newt Gingrich showed party leaders across the globe how to bring the members to heel, using Tom DeLay's (illegal?) fundraising prowess and threatening the rank-and-file (your backbenchers) with primaries from the right. Thanks, Tom DeLay.

 

[summerisle]

Just watched an interview with that nadin zahawe ??? He’s basically admitted that he hadn’t read the report into Owen Paterson before voting on the issue…. When this was pointed out he could hardly get his words out….. honestly how people vote for these charlatans is beyond belief… they’re laughing at you.

Why he's wheeled out every day for interviews is beyond me, he can't even waffle and lie well.

 

[Wizard]

Why he's wheeled out every day for interviews is beyond me, he can't even waffle and lie well.

Reminds me of when Raab tried to squirm his way out of admitting he hadn’t read the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[Drumblue]

Just watched an interview with that nadin zahawe ??? He’s basically admitted that he hadn’t read the report into Owen Paterson before voting on the issue…. When this was pointed out he could hardly get his words out….. honestly how people vote for these charlatans is beyond belief… they’re laughing at you.

 

[DanEFC92]

Christ he's a tedious smug prick.