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[Tubey]

It doesn't murder the point at all and nonsense to suggest that it is. I just won't play a stupid game of 'ah but, look, here is one non-racist and you said 100% of the people are racist'.

It is not counter-productive. If people are extra racist or now racist because some footballers took the knee then, I'm sorry to say this, they may already have been racists. In fact, seems pretty productive if racists are only just outing themselves because of this.

Or is this one of those things where sensible centrists are being torn as to who to side with?

Because, of course, those are the only two negative reactions to the gesture...

 

[dead_soft]

Because, of course, those are the only two negative reactions to the gesture...

What are the other negative reactions that are the players' fault?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

So you think 100% of people who are booing or have a problem with taking the knee are racists then?

Yes I do or least apathetic to racism. Boils down to being polite and decent if you don't agree about taking the knee, if people cant be well mannered happily have them down as racist or ignorant arses, symbiotic in my experience.

 

[Tubey]

What are the other negative reactions that are the players' fault?

They believe politics have no place in an arena of escapism they've paid to see.

They believe it isn't a conducive action to their stated aims.

They believe it is sanctimonious and casts too wide a net, giving people erroneous labels.

They believe it has run its course and is now an empty gesture.

They believe it is a left wing political demonstration.

They believe it doesn't actually achieve anything societally.

And so on. All of those reasons aren't necessarily those of 'racists', but they're all tarred with the same brush.

 

[Tubey]

Yes or least apathetic to racism. Boils down to being polite and decent if you don't agree about taking the knee, if people cant be well mannered happily have them down as racist or ignorant arses, symbiotic in my experience.

Are you talking about people booing it only or people who are against it in general?

 

[dead_soft]

They believe politics have no place in an arena of escapism they've paid to see.

They believe it isn't a conducive action to their stated aims.

They believe it is sanctimonious and casts too wide a net, giving people erroneous labels.

They believe it has run its course and is now an empty gesture.

They believe it is a left wing political demonstration.

They believe it doesn't actually achieve anything societally.

And so on. All of those reasons aren't necessarily those of 'racists', but they're all tarred with the same brush.

Right, and what actual issues are caused by some people being upset by this? People disagree with stuff all the time - what real world divisions are being caused by this that are counter-productive to their aims?

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

I'm not trying to justify the racism; I'm saying it forces people to extremes to make it more likely.

I simply see the situation with more nuance. I'm not victim blaming; rather I'm saying what they've been doing is counter-productive to their aim in my view. Or to be more specific, I think it's a gesture that had its' place in highlighting an issue once upon a Kaepernick, but has now become a gesture that is the issue.

Or the TLDR version - why do something that doesn't achieve what you want it to, and indeed makes things worse?

Yes you are.

You sound like Alan Partridge, 'please, don't write in saying that's sexist.....it's not.'

 

[Bishop Thumpety-Thump]

Actually I don't know why I've engaged. Give him ten minutes and he'll be back on a transgender rant no doubt.

 

[Number_25]

Taking a stance against racism shouldn't be a left vs right issue, but there you go.

 

[anxiouswarrior]

in a way i am glad we lost because at least it stopped the tory scum from taking credit , the sight of Bullingdon glorifying would be nauseating

 

[Tubey]

Taking a stance against racism shouldn't be a left vs right issue, but there you go.

It really shouldn't; that's actually part of my point.

 

[dead_soft]

in a way i am glad we lost because at least it stopped the tory scum from taking credit , the sight of Bullingdon glorifying would be nauseating

yeah, seeing them get another bounce because of something they didn't actually do would be incredibly annoying

 

[dead_soft]

It really shouldn't; that's actually part of my point.

Stop playing into it then.

 

[Tubey]

Stop playing into it then.

Again, that's my argument.

 

[dead_soft]

Again, that's my argument.

You're the one playing into it. Don't tell people to stop making it a left/right or divisive issue when you're one of the minority doing it.