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[NilSatisOptimum]

Has Gove pulled out?

 

[gonetomorrow]

What's more serious was probably Jeremy Hunt forgetting whether his wife is Japanese or Chinese and almost alienating half of S.E.Asia in the process.

 

[tsubaki]

The more that comes out about this story the more questions it raises.

If Gove lied on his ESTA application then it is a huge matter, though there is the possibillity of course that he didn't lie - that he admitted recreational use of cocaine some years ago on it. Now I know he is a Tory, but his statement is hard to read as anything other than him telling the truth on the form, and the QC would have to be unable to read to say what they apparently said:

“I don’t believe that I’ve ever on any occasion failed to tell the truth about this when asked directly,” he said, when asked if he declared his past drug use to US authorities. The Electronic System for Travel Authorisation visa waiver form for entry into the US asks: “Have you ever violated any law related to possessing, using or distributing illegal drugs?”

A spokesman later said Gove had taken legal advice from a QC who is “satisfied that Michael completed his forms correctly”.

Of course that sounds very unlikely, but then again how likely does the official story of how this came out - that he blurted it out to some underlings in 2016 when they asked him if he had any skeletons in his closet - sound? Why did he admit it with such alacrity if it is a matter of his word vs his former underlings? For it to come out in a book that just happens to appear as a leadership election gets under way is almost unbelievable timing, and then theres that matter of Trump completely blanking him last week as well - which was admittedly bizarre behaviour from a bizarre man.

 

[Ollie d]

Has Gove pulled out?

It's a shame his old man didn't ...

 

[summerisle]

The drug cabinet.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

that doesn't really address the issue in play here though, these are people who advocate hardline policies on drugs against the advice of many experts and for the purposes of appealing to their electorate, that's the issue here and to play the old 'they are all as bad as each other' line is a bit thin

I didn't see any mention of the legislation they tried to push through on drug use in her tweets? That would have made them interesting rather than the fact that wealthy people took drugs when they were younger. Without that it just becomes tittle tattle that's scarcely relevant.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

The drug cabinet.

I reckon Boris has been on ket as well - it would explain a lot.

 

[sbbefc]

I didn't see any mention of the legislation they tried to push through on drug use in her tweets? That would have made them interesting rather than the fact that wealthy people took drugs when they were younger. Without that it just becomes tittle tattle that's scarcely relevant.

The tories have traditionally taken a hardline approach though. None of the candidates are proposing redical reforms including rehabilitation etc. If you ask me they're all hypocrites.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The tories have traditionally taken a hardline approach though. None of the candidates are proposing redical reforms including rehabilitation etc. If you ask me they're all hypocrites.

Oh I quite agree. I just think that's what they should focus on rather than the fact they took drugs when they were younger.

 

[Simon Buttle]

I didn't see any mention of the legislation they tried to push through on drug use in her tweets? That would have made them interesting rather than the fact that wealthy people took drugs when they were younger. Without that it just becomes tittle tattle that's scarcely relevant.

Problem with the tories and legalisation is that a number of their backbenchers hold high profile positions within the alcohol and baccy companies, and nothing will happen until they come to some tax/finnacial agreement over it, especially with regards to the CBD/weed thing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Problem with the tories and legalisation is that a number of their backbenchers hold high profile positions within the alcohol and baccy companies, and nothing will happen until they come to some tax/finnacial agreement over it, especially with regards to the CBD/weed thing.

Really? I didn't know that. Must be a clear conflict of interest.

 

[orchard]

Oh I quite agree. I just think that's what they should focus on rather than the fact they took drugs when they were younger.

Whilst mp's, and introducing legislation, no? 'when younger' is a bit vague as well.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Really? I didn't know that. Must be a clear conflict of interest.

haha, here is a good conflict of interest for you Bruce mate: British Sugar who have an area the size of 25 football pitches in Norfolk where they grow a sh**load of medical weed which is then sold abroad to the US and Canada and others, is run by a guy called Paul Kenwood, his wife is the Tory drugs minister!!! also just to top the whole project off, it is funded by Mrs Mays husbands company.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Whilst mp's, and introducing legislation, no? 'when younger' is a bit vague as well.

Well yeah, that's true.

haha, here is a good conflict of interest for you Bruce mate: British Sugar who have an area the size of 25 football pitches in Norfolk where they grow a sh**load of medical weed which is then sold abroad to the US and Canada and others, is run by a guy called Paul Kenwood, his wife is the Tory drugs minister!!! also just to top the whole project off, it is funded by Mrs Mays husbands company.

I've often wondered how politics is regulated (primarily from a spouting blatant lies perspective), but it does seem that they can say and do what they like.

 

[orchard]

I've often wondered how politics is regulated (primarily from a spouting blatant lies perspective), but it does seem that they can say and do what they like.

Which ought to be stopped imo, at least, nor should they be permitted to exempt themselves either.

Although Bercow gets lots of stick from the far right, he's also diffused a lot of accusations of 'lies' in the house at critical junctures to the benefit of the current government recently.