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tsubaki said:
... several days after the US announced there was a threat from Iran, and none of the ships was significantly damaged. One almost might come to the conclusion that the attack was designed to support the US action.

Anyway, what is with this "normally I would agree with our military, but"? What with your support for pro-IRA candidates you are turning into a bit of a liability.
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orchard said:
He's stated he wants us to become a us state, at least he's being consistent for now, however abhorrent i find the notion.
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No, I have said if we must belong with any form of United States I would rather it be with America than Europe......
 
peteblue said:
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You are in the north-west aren't you? If so, here is what you are voting for:

A Brexit Party candidate for Warrington has quit at the failure of another would-be MEP to apologise for comments about the IRA bombing of the town.

European elections candidate Sally Bate said she had resigned because Claire Fox refused to condemn the attack.

Fox was a leading member of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) which defended the 1993 bombing.

Ms Bate said Nigel Farage should remove her from the party list and "stand together with victims of the atrocity".

Tim Parry, 12, and Johnathan Ball, three, were killed in the IRA attack on 20 March which left 56 others injured.

An RCP newsletter at the time of the bomb stated that the party defended "the right of the Irish people to take whatever measures necessary in their struggle for freedom".

Tim's father Colin Parry has urged voters in the North West to reject Ms Fox because she did not offer any apology for her former views.

In a statement, Ms Fox said: "Terrible things happened - mercifully, a peaceful resolution has emerged following the Good Friday Agreement."

She added: "I do not condone the use of violence."

Ms Fox is top of the list of Brexit Party candidates for the North West, meaning she would be the first to claim any European Parliament seat which the group wins in elections on 23 May.

Ms Bate was listed seventh.

Announcing her resignation from the Brexit Party, Ms Bate said: "I am unhappy with Claire's statement since she has not categorically condemned the violence inflicted by the IRA.

"I stand by Colin Parry and his family and all victims of the Warrington bomb and in view of Claire's ambiguous position on the issue I cannot continue to stand beside her as a Brexit candidate..."
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... and here is her (and other Brexit Party candidates) calling for child porn to be legalised:

When people challenge my opinions I shrug, said Vladimir Nabokov. When people challenge my facts, I reach for my dictionary.

Brendan O’Neill, formerly of the Revolutionary Communist Party and Living Marxism, now of Spiked, has had me reaching for mine. He accuses me of lying, a charge which might send a less liberal journalist than me to his lawyers. He says my charge that his comrades and the Brexit Party’s European Parliament candidates Claire Fox, James Heartfield and Alka Sehgal Cuthbert are cavalier about the abuse of children “are lies, straight-up, low-down lies,” “character assassination”, and an act of desperation by the remain side.

The desperation is all his. For mysterious reasons it might be worth journalists getting to the bottom of, Farage has picked candidates who used to belong to the RCP – despite the group’s long history of defending the IRA – a history I notice Comrade O’Neill does not deny. I cannot imagine Brexit Party voters being happy with that. Or voters from any other party.

Perhaps wisely, O’Neill passes over it. Instead he wants us to concentrate on the opposition to the censorship of child pornography on the Web. It’s not true. Lies, lies, all lies, he cries. Really?

Here is the evidence. First Fox. To give O’Neill his due, she does twist and turn like a true politician in her recent interview with the Daily Telegraph‘s Christopher Hope. (As O’Neill did not provide a link, here it is). But when cornered she says that she does not want child pornography banned.

“But do you still agree though that there should be no censorship of the internet?” asked the interviewer.

“Yes,” replied Fox

“And that includes child porn?”

“Yes.”

Asked again if child porn videos “should be banned” she replied “no”. She does say she finds child porn vile and I suppose deserves some credit for that. But then she goes and spoils it all by adding “actually most child porn is not child porn because it’s simulated.” Well some is, some isn’t.

O’Neill suggests that it is a “lie” and not just any lie but a “straight-up, low-down lie” to accurately transcribe the verbatim comments of a political candidate seeking office. I am sorry if this makes him clutch his pearls and reach for the smelling salts, but this is what a free press in a free country does.

Lying, or editing so selective it comes close to lying, is on display in O’Neill’s defence of Alka Sehgal Cuthbert, his old friend and a Faragist candidate in London. All his comrade had done in his Spiked magazine was argue “that it is wrong to describe young people’s watching of general porn as a form of child abuse”.

Here are the facts that O’Neill does not mention. Sehgal Cuthbert was responding to an NSPCC definition of child abuse that includes adults “involving children in looking at, or in the production of, pornographic material or watching sexual activities, or encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways.’

To which she fulminates “in what world is enticing a child into prostitution or anal intercourse in any sense equivalent to kissing or looking at pornographic images?”

I can’t imagine any parent thinking that a man showing their son or daughter pornography was innocently exercising his rights to free speech. I imagine they would call the police, as would I.

But notice O’Neill so edits the passage that he would have you believe that his RCP comrade was just saying that do-gooding charities had ruled it was child abuse for children to watch porn on the Internet. He removes the adults from the scene entirely. As I said, if this is not quite lying, it is most certainly not telling the truth.

Finally to James Heartfield, who O’Neill paints as another victim. Once again, I provide links to his contribution on the subject of child abuse.

He has written against “the myth of the ubiquitous and incurable predatory paedophile” and said “the argument that the [sex offenders’] register provides for greater safety makes little sense”.

He added that “fears of child sex abuse are deeply atavistic and rarely susceptible to reasoned argument.”

He has argued that the sex offenders’ register would “encroach upon the freedom of movement of sex offenders”.

And he said the “Tory Party had great success in the 1980s in characterising the problems of paedophilia and other abuses of children as a terrible threat to society…this is of course fantasy politics.”

Now he is Nigel Farage’s candidate in the European elections. Vote for him and the rest of Farage’s apologists for the IRA if you must. But journalism’s purpose is to ensure that you vote knowing who and what you are voting for. It is that purpose O’Neill, like Trump, Corbyn and so many others is trying to scream down.
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I can't abide Cohen (note how he crowbars Corbyn into the last list), but everything else he has said there is easily available fact.
 
Would be something if in the last days of Mays reign she revoked Article 50, so these so called headbangers suck it all up, the likes of Raab Johnson Leadsom et al. Insidious con men and women
 
tsubaki said:
You are in the north-west aren't you? If so, here is what you are voting for:



... and here is her (and other Brexit Party candidates) calling for child porn to be legalised:



I can't abide Cohen (note how he crowbars Corbyn into the last list), but everything else he has said there is easily available fact.
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No mate, I’m not in the North West anymore and I still don’t understand any reference to me supporting the IRA...
 
I see Theresa May turned up at a conservative Eu election meeting, the candidates looked like a bad smell had entered the room, the five public attendees and two photographers did their best. Surely even someone as thick skinned as May must realise it’s over..........
 
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