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peteblue said:
Anyway, if May continues as leader, the conservatives are finished. Myself and all of our pub are conservative voters, but everyone will vote for the Brexit party. I know it’s only a small sample, but it will be repeated nationally. We cannot abide people who tell lies, and we have been lied to in respect of no deal is better than a bad deal. May no longer can be trusted to tell the truth, and the dogs breakfast of her negotiated deal shows that she is not really up to the job.....
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Brexit party. They’ve got you hook, line and sinker. At least it might consign the Tories to the dustbin for a while.
 
Seanjd said:
Brexit party. They’ve got you hook, line and sinker. At least it might consign the Tories to the dustbin for a while.
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They are a rabid lot theses Brexit Tories, was in the company of some Manure York Tories over Easter, it was fantastic weekend, football wise and how eager they are to split the Torys up, not one under 65 all chomping at the bit, I did my best as a leftie to facilitate the desires so encouraged their new found zest for democracy.
 
Zezti said:
www.bbc.co.uk

MP Johnny Mercer's £85k salary linked to failed bond scheme agent

Johnny Mercer's salary was funded by Surge Financial, which marketed the collapsed LCF bond scheme.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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How much cash do you need? I would imagine being an MP is a 24/7 job so I can never understand how so many can supplement their salary.
In addition, I find it sickening that people earning this much are so far removed from the swingeing cuts to public spending that they implemented.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
How much cash do you need? I would imagine being an MP is a 24/7 job so I can never understand how so many can supplement their salary.
In addition, I find it sickening that people earning this much are so far removed from the swingeing cuts to public spending that they implemented.
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They have the ability to open doors to the right people, which is valuable without requiring much time from them.
 
JimmyJeffers said:
How much cash do you need? I would imagine being an MP is a 24/7 job so I can never understand how so many can supplement their salary.
In addition, I find it sickening that people earning this much are so far removed from the swingeing cuts to public spending that they implemented.
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I would actually like to pay MPs more, however, this kind of involvement by Mercer should not be tolerated, something very wrong in the UK when this happens. Any outside interest should be severely curtailed and stopped, even so called charitable work, much stricter controls needed, during and after being a MP, family and associates need monitoring as well.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
I would actually like to pay MPs more, however, this kind of involvement by Mercer should not be tolerated, something very wrong in the UK when this happens. Any outside interest should be severely curtailed and stopped, even so called charitable work, much stricter controls needed, during and after being a MP, family and associates need monitoring as well.
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No MP should have another job, declare their interest properly ........
 
peteblue said:
Anyway, if May continues as leader, the conservatives are finished. Myself and all of our pub are conservative voters, but everyone will vote for the Brexit party. I know it’s only a small sample, but it will be repeated nationally. We cannot abide people who tell lies, and we have been lied to in respect of no deal is better than a bad deal. May no longer can be trusted to tell the truth, and the dogs breakfast of her negotiated deal shows that she is not really up to the job.....
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I'm not being horrible mate, but the Tories are done. I put a similar post on here a few pages back. I'm not saying there won't be a different party that emerges in their wake, but I do not think that party will recover.

You can't mess up something as central to your DNA as Brexit is to the Conservatives, and carry out your actions in such a heavy handed manner as May has done and expect to survive. The wounds will not be healed by this.

Whichever wing of the party someone is (and both have validity) they are both alienated not just by her deal but by her conduct.

There was a moment where, with some more bravery from some of the back bench MP's they could have saved the Tory party. It would have meant them voting for no confidence in the government and forcing an election. Typically they bottled it.

Farage will do very well. Utter utter stupidity that UKIP forced him for a bunch of clowns who want to make rape jokes and get lessons on sexual violence from Tommy Robinson over Farage. Love him or loathe him (and I'm closer to loathe) you have to appreciate that Farage has a remarkable ability as a politician and is probably the most important politician the country has had since Blair and Thatcher.

They will feast on the Tory corpse. I don't think he will come close to winning a UK election (I don't even believe he will win the Europeans but he will come close) but he will provide a headache for Labour as he understand the art of being counter-hegemonic.

As for the Tories, see the Liberal Democrats. They felt removing Clegg would help but it was too late. 2 leaders later and they are still in complete obscurity, nowhere near their 2010 high (or the decades that preceded that).

The best case scenario for the Conservatives is that the Brexit Party take much of their vote. The worst is the above, but also UKIP eat into it, lots of their voters just lose faith and don't turn out when they know they won't win, the party splits in 2 (possibly 3) and Change UK cream off some of the remain side. Either way, oblivion beckons.
 
catcherintherye said:
I'm not being horrible mate, but the Tories are done. I put a similar post on here a few pages back. I'm not saying there won't be a different party that emerges in their wake, but I do not think that party will recover.

You can't mess up something as central to your DNA as Brexit is to the Conservatives, and carry out your actions in such a heavy handed manner as May has done and expect to survive. The wounds will not be healed by this.

Whichever wing of the party someone is (and both have validity) they are both alienated not just by her deal but by her conduct.

There was a moment where, with some more bravery from some of the back bench MP's they could have saved the Tory party. It would have meant them voting for no confidence in the government and forcing an election. Typically they bottled it.

Farage will do very well. Utter utter stupidity that UKIP forced him for a bunch of clowns who want to make rape jokes and get lessons on sexual violence from Tommy Robinson over Farage. Love him or loathe him (and I'm closer to loathe) you have to appreciate that Farage has a remarkable ability as a politician and is probably the most important politician the country has had since Blair and Thatcher.

They will feast on the Tory corpse. I don't think he will come close to winning a UK election (I don't even believe he will win the Europeans but he will come close) but he will provide a headache for Labour as he understand the art of being counter-hegemonic.

As for the Tories, see the Liberal Democrats. They felt removing Clegg would help but it was too late. 2 leaders later and they are still in complete obscurity, nowhere near their 2010 high (or the decades that preceded that).

The best case scenario for the Conservatives is that the Brexit Party take much of their vote. The worst is the above, but also UKIP eat into it, lots of their voters just lose faith and don't turn out when they know they won't win, the party splits in 2 (possibly 3) and Change UK cream off some of the remain side. Either way, oblivion beckons.
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I believe you are right. May has killed the Conservative party....she doesn’t realise it yet, but it’s done......
 
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