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Waspi - it was a rather underhand move to alter the rules on state pensions to those that were in the home straight and within reach of collecting it. Effectively pulling the rug from under a generation.

tory abject failure.

It really wasn't, and whatever your view of pension changes morally (personally I think when you enter into an effective contract with the state or an employer over a pension both parties should abide by it) they were announced and commented on at length at the time and since. The idea that the Waspi campaigners have raised and which the ombudsman endorsed - that the affected women didn't grasp they'd be affected - is a pretty crap argument.

Given whats abroad in the world right now and the spending pressures in public services generally, the government (and Labour) really shouldnt entertain the idea of any compo for this.
 
It really wasn't, and whatever your view of pension changes morally (personally I think when you enter into an effective contract with the state or an employer over a pension both parties should abide by it) they were announced and commented on at length at the time and since. The idea that the Waspi campaigners have raised and which the ombudsman endorsed - that the affected women didn't grasp they'd be affected - is a pretty crap argument.

Given whats abroad in the world right now and the spending pressures in public services generally, the government (and Labour) really shouldnt entertain the idea of any compo for this.
What is your cut off point? A day before retirement? A week? A year?
Changing contracts without the agreement of the affected party is the kind of sham don king practices.
All the facts, in the open, no misunderstandings. Like the post office... wait!
 
Then you'd literally never be able to change the state pension age.
Are you 16 today and joining the nursing cadets? When you get to 18 and join the nursing ranks full time the contract will have changed. When you join, the retiring age will be 65.

Change it at the other end instead of cutting peoples throats in the final stretch. A very underhand (c***s) trick.
 
What is your cut off point? A day before retirement? A week? A year?
Changing contracts without the agreement of the affected party is the kind of sham don king practices.
All the facts, in the open, no misunderstandings. Like the post office... wait!

This started in 1995, when the oldest of the affected cohort would have been 45.

That is short compared to a working life, but its not like it was - as for some in the army who the Tories kicked out so they wouldnt have gotten a full pension - weeks before it was due.

Besides, the campaign's argument is not that it was unfair - its that the women couldnt understand it. As arguments go it sounds like it was from the 1950s itself.
 
Absolutely, everyone that signs up at 16 knows they'll be fit enough to stay the course 50 years later.
No one moves home either, so their specific documentation re their personal circumstances always made it through to the recipient.
Whatabout the army and how poorly some of those have been treated aint cutting it btw.
Out of the book of how to rampage through the pensions of 'rover', 'the miners', 'bhs'. The working poor hammered again. Not for me Jim.
 
I'm a bit torn on the waspi stuff because on the one hand, I find it hard to have sympathy towards a clutch of Boomers who are being told they can't retire early* the way they always expected to (against a backdrop of the rest of us having the idea of retirement slowly pulled out of our grasp altogether).

On the other hand, these women were young in a world where they weren't expected to have careers and that their husbands' salaries would provide for them, and finding out in their 40s that they would be expected to work longer (against a backdrop of rising divorce rates) isn't going to retroactively find them better jobs in their youth to help plan for that.

And of course apparently a lot of them never even found that out for some reason.

* I'm aware from their perspective it isn't 'early' and they women were usually a few years younger than their husbands so the retirement ages would match up.
 
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It really wasn't, and whatever your view of pension changes morally (personally I think when you enter into an effective contract with the state or an employer over a pension both parties should abide by it) they were announced and commented on at length at the time and since. The idea that the Waspi campaigners have raised and which the ombudsman endorsed - that the affected women didn't grasp they'd be affected - is a pretty crap argument.

Given whats abroad in the world right now and the spending pressures in public services generally, the government (and Labour) really shouldnt entertain the idea of any compo for this.
Was listening to an interview on Radio 4 earlier in the week and I do feel sorry for women who find themselves in limbo or are physically struggling on in jobs they thought they'd be retired from. But I was really surprised they were claiming near absolute ignorance of the change in retirement age.
 
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