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Goat said:
I said better.

Unless you know any benefits Brexit has brought us?
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Look at Germany. The biggest and most successful economy in Europe, how are they doing… meanwhile slowly but surely we are building economic bridges around the world….. many in the Eu would probably like to leave, it’s only the subsidies, that we used to provide, that keeps them in for now. We are once again an independent nation……..
 
peteblue said:
Look at Germany. The biggest and most successful economy in Europe, how are they doing… meanwhile slowly but surely we are building economic bridges around the world….. many in the Eu would probably like to leave, it’s only the subsidies, that we used to provide, that keeps them in for now. We are once again an independent nation……..
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That doesnt really answer my question, what are the benefits of not being in the EU?

You use Germany, I counter that with Ireland, who are thriving post Brexit.

Two-thirds of the British public think Brexit has damaged the economy, while even among Leave voters only one in five think the impact has been positive. This column looks at the evidence across three key dimensions – trade, migration and investment – as well as the overall macroeconomic impacts. The impact on trade overall appears to have been broadly consistent with predictions so far, that on immigration much less negative (and perhaps even positive) and on investment somewhat worse. Perhaps the best estimate of the negative impact on Brexit on UK GDP to date is 2–3% of GDP.

The impact of Brexit on the UK economy: Reviewing the evidence

Two-thirds of the British public think Brexit has damaged the economy, while even among Leave voters only one in five think the impact has been positive. This column looks at the evidence across three key dimensions – trade, migration and investment – as well as the overall macroeconomic...
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Goat said:
That doesnt really answer my question, what are the benefits of not being in the EU?

You use Germany, I counter that with Ireland, who are thriving post Brexit.

Two-thirds of the British public think Brexit has damaged the economy, while even among Leave voters only one in five think the impact has been positive. This column looks at the evidence across three key dimensions – trade, migration and investment – as well as the overall macroeconomic impacts. The impact on trade overall appears to have been broadly consistent with predictions so far, that on immigration much less negative (and perhaps even positive) and on investment somewhat worse. Perhaps the best estimate of the negative impact on Brexit on UK GDP to date is 2–3% of GDP.
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here’s a starter for 10……

  1. Brexit strengthened our representative democracy. We are no longer dragged down by the glaring ‘democratic deficit’ in EU institutions, where there is no meaningful competition for executive power and voters have minimal influence. Current and future governments are no longer ‘locked in’ to decisions that are taken at the EU level. They can no longer be outvoted in the European Council. They are no longer subject to Qualified Majority voting without a veto. They are instead free to choose their own path in what is now a self-governing, independent, and more fully accountable nation-state. And so the link between the British voter and their elected MP is as strong and accountable as it has been since before Britain first joined the EU, in 1973.
  2. Brexit means we will no longer pay EU Budget contributions. In 2020, Britain made an estimated gross contribution (after its rebate) of £17 billion, with a net public sector contribution of around £13 billion. This would have continued each year and increased in the years ahead. Instead, Britain is free to spend this money on whatever it wants. It also means we do not have to contribute to new and ongoing liabilities —such as the EU’s Covid response and borrowing of around €750 billion, or helping pay toward future crises in the EU. This money can be redirected into domestic needs, such as public services.
  3. Brexit means we make our own laws. UK judges, sitting in UK courts, now determine the law of the land in the UK, with judgments issued in English, not French, and accessible to those who speak Welsh. UK courts, including the Supreme Court, are no longer bound by, or obliged to follow, decisions of the Court of Justice of the European Union. There are still challenges relating to things like the European Convention on Human Rights but Britain now has full control over its own laws and judiciary.
  4. Brexit means we can have our own trade deals without having to pay the EU for the privilege. As Gully Foyle points out on Twitter, from a trade deal perspective the UK previously had access to more than forty active trade deals as part of EU membership —something it paid billions for. Today, the UK has replicated almost all of these but no longer has to pay to access them. We now have an independent trade policy which will allow a long-term repositioning of the British economy.
  5. Brexit allowed us to make new trade deals which would not be possible were we still in the European Union. Britain has both reformed existing trade deals with countries such as Japan, Singapore, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico and Israel, and struck new trade deals with the likes of Australia, New Zealand and most likely also India. This momentum will only increase in the years ahead.
  6. Brexit allowed us to align ourselves with parts of the world that are growing faster than the European Union. The EU’s share of global GDP is declining as the centre of gravity continues to move toward Africa and Asia. Britain joining the Asia-Pacific Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), which brings together the likes of Australia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam, is one example of this. There will be many more.
  7. Brexit allowed us to change our role in the world. Britain was the first to send arms and support to Ukraine, ignoring obstacles in the EU which would have slowed us down during a critical phase in the war. Britain also signed the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal with Australia which will boost security and jobs. This would also have been much harder were we still in the EU. We are more nimble and autonomous outside the European Union.
  8. Brexit allowed us to ditch the free movement of EU nationals and replace it with a points-based immigration system. Sure, it’s currently very unpopular, largely because legal immigration is still being mismanaged by a domestic political elite which leans much further to the cultural left on immigration than most voters. But the key point is we can pick, choose, and change this system at a future election, perhaps with a new party, if we want. In the EU we cannot do this.
  9. Since Brexit, Britain has become more attractive to the most highly qualified skilled workers. In 2023, the OECD said Britain had seen “the largest improvement in the ranking since 2019”, due to its post-Brexit changes to quotas for highly skilled workers and strong labour market outcomes for migrants. Britain, in other words, is now closing in on the likes of Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand as a highly desirable destination for high skilled workers.
  10. Brexit strengthened our response to the Covid pandemic. Britain established its own task force to procure vaccines and avoided the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy. Britain’s roll-out of the vaccines was much faster than the EU’s. While it may have been legally possible for the UK to develop its own response to covid vaccination within the EU, and while some of these benefits were arguably undermined by successive lockdowns, all 27 Member States agreed to allow the EU to conclude Advance Purchase Agreements on their behalf. In the EU, it is highly likely the UK would have joined this EU scheme and therefore been slower. This success has also since attracted other investment from leading companies fighting cancer, which are attracted to our regulatory environment.
 
peteblue said:
here’s a starter for 10……

  1. Brexit strengthened our representative democracy. We are no longer dragged down by the glaring ‘democratic deficit’ in EU institutions, where there is no meaningful competition for executive power and voters have minimal influence. Current and future governments are no longer ‘locked in’ to decisions that are taken at the EU level. They can no longer be outvoted in the European Council. They are no longer subject to Qualified Majority voting without a veto. They are instead free to choose their own path in what is now a self-governing, independent, and more fully accountable nation-state. And so the link between the British voter and their elected MP is as strong and accountable as it has been since before Britain first joined the EU, in 1973.
  2. Brexit means we will no longer pay EU Budget contributions. In 2020, Britain made an estimated gross contribution (after its rebate) of £17 billion, with a net public sector contribution of around £13 billion. This would have continued each year and increased in the years ahead. Instead, Britain is free to spend this money on whatever it wants. It also means we do not have to contribute to new and ongoing liabilities —such as the EU’s Covid response and borrowing of around €750 billion, or helping pay toward future crises in the EU. This money can be redirected into domestic needs, such as public services.
  3. Brexit means we make our own laws. UK judges, sitting in UK courts, now determine the law of the land in the UK, with judgments issued in English, not French, and accessible to those who speak Welsh. UK courts, including the Supreme Court, are no longer bound by, or obliged to follow, decisions of the Court of Justice of the European Union. There are still challenges relating to things like the European Convention on Human Rights but Britain now has full control over its own laws and judiciary.
  4. Brexit means we can have our own trade deals without having to pay the EU for the privilege. As Gully Foyle points out on Twitter, from a trade deal perspective the UK previously had access to more than forty active trade deals as part of EU membership —something it paid billions for. Today, the UK has replicated almost all of these but no longer has to pay to access them. We now have an independent trade policy which will allow a long-term repositioning of the British economy.
  5. Brexit allowed us to make new trade deals which would not be possible were we still in the European Union. Britain has both reformed existing trade deals with countries such as Japan, Singapore, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico and Israel, and struck new trade deals with the likes of Australia, New Zealand and most likely also India. This momentum will only increase in the years ahead.
  6. Brexit allowed us to align ourselves with parts of the world that are growing faster than the European Union. The EU’s share of global GDP is declining as the centre of gravity continues to move toward Africa and Asia. Britain joining the Asia-Pacific Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), which brings together the likes of Australia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam, is one example of this. There will be many more.
  7. Brexit allowed us to change our role in the world. Britain was the first to send arms and support to Ukraine, ignoring obstacles in the EU which would have slowed us down during a critical phase in the war. Britain also signed the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal with Australia which will boost security and jobs. This would also have been much harder were we still in the EU. We are more nimble and autonomous outside the European Union.
  8. Brexit allowed us to ditch the free movement of EU nationals and replace it with a points-based immigration system. Sure, it’s currently very unpopular, largely because legal immigration is still being mismanaged by a domestic political elite which leans much further to the cultural left on immigration than most voters. But the key point is we can pick, choose, and change this system at a future election, perhaps with a new party, if we want. In the EU we cannot do this.
  9. Since Brexit, Britain has become more attractive to the most highly qualified skilled workers. In 2023, the OECD said Britain had seen “the largest improvement in the ranking since 2019”, due to its post-Brexit changes to quotas for highly skilled workers and strong labour market outcomes for migrants. Britain, in other words, is now closing in on the likes of Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand as a highly desirable destination for high skilled workers.
  10. Brexit strengthened our response to the Covid pandemic. Britain established its own task force to procure vaccines and avoided the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy. Britain’s roll-out of the vaccines was much faster than the EU’s. While it may have been legally possible for the UK to develop its own response to covid vaccination within the EU, and while some of these benefits were arguably undermined by successive lockdowns, all 27 Member States agreed to allow the EU to conclude Advance Purchase Agreements on their behalf. In the EU, it is highly likely the UK would have joined this EU scheme and therefore been slower. This success has also since attracted other investment from leading companies fighting cancer, which are attracted to our regulatory environment.
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None of these are benefits, they are just words.

In October 2021, the UK government’s Office of Budget Responsibility calculated that Brexit would cost 4% of GDP per annum over the long term. 4% of 2021 UK GDP is the equivalent of a £32bn cost per annum to the UK taxpayer. After rebates, the UK’s EU membership fee in 2018 was £13.2bn.

CIPS has reported think tank Campaign for European Reform's research, which found that UK goods trade was 11.2%, or £8.5bn, lower in September 2021 than it would have been according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's forecast in March 2016.

A 2022 study from research firm Resolution Foundation found that Brexit had reduced the openness and competitiveness of the British economy.



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Goat said:
None of these are benefits, they are just words.

In October 2021, the UK government’s Office of Budget Responsibility calculated that Brexit would cost 4% of GDP per annum over the long term. 4% of 2021 UK GDP is the equivalent of a £32bn cost per annum to the UK taxpayer. After rebates, the UK’s EU membership fee in 2018 was £13.2bn.

CIPS has reported think tank Campaign for European Reform's research, which found that UK goods trade was 11.2%, or £8.5bn, lower in September 2021 than it would have been according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's forecast in March 2016.

A 2022 study from research firm Resolution Foundation found that Brexit had reduced the openness and competitiveness of the British economy.



Numbers > Words
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How has it changed your life negatively?…..
 
peteblue said:
here’s a starter for 10……

  1. Brexit strengthened our representative democracy. We are no longer dragged down by the glaring ‘democratic deficit’ in EU institutions, where there is no meaningful competition for executive power and voters have minimal influence. Current and future governments are no longer ‘locked in’ to decisions that are taken at the EU level. They can no longer be outvoted in the European Council. They are no longer subject to Qualified Majority voting without a veto. They are instead free to choose their own path in what is now a self-governing, independent, and more fully accountable nation-state. And so the link between the British voter and their elected MP is as strong and accountable as it has been since before Britain first joined the EU, in 1973.
  2. Brexit means we will no longer pay EU Budget contributions. In 2020, Britain made an estimated gross contribution (after its rebate) of £17 billion, with a net public sector contribution of around £13 billion. This would have continued each year and increased in the years ahead. Instead, Britain is free to spend this money on whatever it wants. It also means we do not have to contribute to new and ongoing liabilities —such as the EU’s Covid response and borrowing of around €750 billion, or helping pay toward future crises in the EU. This money can be redirected into domestic needs, such as public services.
  3. Brexit means we make our own laws. UK judges, sitting in UK courts, now determine the law of the land in the UK, with judgments issued in English, not French, and accessible to those who speak Welsh. UK courts, including the Supreme Court, are no longer bound by, or obliged to follow, decisions of the Court of Justice of the European Union. There are still challenges relating to things like the European Convention on Human Rights but Britain now has full control over its own laws and judiciary.
  4. Brexit means we can have our own trade deals without having to pay the EU for the privilege. As Gully Foyle points out on Twitter, from a trade deal perspective the UK previously had access to more than forty active trade deals as part of EU membership —something it paid billions for. Today, the UK has replicated almost all of these but no longer has to pay to access them. We now have an independent trade policy which will allow a long-term repositioning of the British economy.
  5. Brexit allowed us to make new trade deals which would not be possible were we still in the European Union. Britain has both reformed existing trade deals with countries such as Japan, Singapore, Ukraine, Canada, Mexico and Israel, and struck new trade deals with the likes of Australia, New Zealand and most likely also India. This momentum will only increase in the years ahead.
  6. Brexit allowed us to align ourselves with parts of the world that are growing faster than the European Union. The EU’s share of global GDP is declining as the centre of gravity continues to move toward Africa and Asia. Britain joining the Asia-Pacific Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), which brings together the likes of Australia, Mexico, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam, is one example of this. There will be many more.
  7. Brexit allowed us to change our role in the world. Britain was the first to send arms and support to Ukraine, ignoring obstacles in the EU which would have slowed us down during a critical phase in the war. Britain also signed the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal with Australia which will boost security and jobs. This would also have been much harder were we still in the EU. We are more nimble and autonomous outside the European Union.
  8. Brexit allowed us to ditch the free movement of EU nationals and replace it with a points-based immigration system. Sure, it’s currently very unpopular, largely because legal immigration is still being mismanaged by a domestic political elite which leans much further to the cultural left on immigration than most voters. But the key point is we can pick, choose, and change this system at a future election, perhaps with a new party, if we want. In the EU we cannot do this.
  9. Since Brexit, Britain has become more attractive to the most highly qualified skilled workers. In 2023, the OECD said Britain had seen “the largest improvement in the ranking since 2019”, due to its post-Brexit changes to quotas for highly skilled workers and strong labour market outcomes for migrants. Britain, in other words, is now closing in on the likes of Switzerland, Australia, and New Zealand as a highly desirable destination for high skilled workers.
  10. Brexit strengthened our response to the Covid pandemic. Britain established its own task force to procure vaccines and avoided the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy. Britain’s roll-out of the vaccines was much faster than the EU’s. While it may have been legally possible for the UK to develop its own response to covid vaccination within the EU, and while some of these benefits were arguably undermined by successive lockdowns, all 27 Member States agreed to allow the EU to conclude Advance Purchase Agreements on their behalf. In the EU, it is highly likely the UK would have joined this EU scheme and therefore been slower. This success has also since attracted other investment from leading companies fighting cancer, which are attracted to our regulatory environment.
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Great… so we can pay that £350 million a week to the NHS…. Why didn’t you just say this ??
 
Nightman said:
I can't get a doctors appointment until January.

My niece cannot get an appointment for a mental health issue.

I can't get a dentist appointment at all.

The EU recruitment or lack of has created shortages everywhere.
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And if you do get see a doctor and they prescribe something for your illness it's pot luck these days they have a supply line of said medication due to red tape introduced since leaving the EU.
 
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