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I don’t understand why Labour aren’t hammering the Tories on the freezing of income tax thresholds until 2028.

People like @peteblue will no doubt applaud this, for whatever bizarre reasons, but it will mean that thousands of relatively low paid workers will be hit with a 40% income tax rate in the next few years.

This is baked in to the Tories’ financial plans, so that any change by Labour has to compensate and make up the difference.

Many people just don't understand what’s coming their way. Pay rise, erm not quite.

The party of low taxation, my arse.
Load of shysters, the lot of 'em.

UK on track for record tax levels, IFS think tank says​

The government is on course to oversee the biggest tax-raising Parliament since records began, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies' analysis.
The IFS forecasts taxes will amount to about 37% of national income by the next general election, due in 2024.
That would be a level not seen since 1948, just after World War Two.
Responding to the report, a Treasury spokesperson said the "most effective tax cut we can deliver" is to "drive down inflation".
Treasury minister Andrew Griffith added that inflation was a priority but refused to rule out further tax rises, when asked by Times Radio on Friday morning.
"We believe that you need a strong economy, you need to build that on stable foundations which is why bearing down on inflation is so important, that's been the priority the prime minister has set," he said.
Meanwhile, new figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that the economy grew by more than originally thought between January and March.
Gross domestic product rose by 0.3% instead of 0.1%. For April to June, however, the ONS left a reading of 0.2% unchanged - putting the economy at 1.8% above pre-pandemic levels.
Grant Fitzner, chief economist at the ONS, said the GDP growth rate is "almost unrevised over the last 18 months".
Chancellor of the Exchequer Jeremy Hunt added "the British economy recovered faster from the pandemic than anyone previously thought" and the new figures prove "the doubters wrong".

Rising taxes​

Next year, the government will collect upwards of £100bn more in tax compared to pre-2019 levels, the IFS says.
Some Tory MPs are putting pressure on Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to reduce taxes in the government's autumn statement next month.
Mr Hunt however said last week that tax cuts were "virtually impossible" at present.
The analysis by the IFS is published on the eve of the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester, which begins on Sunday.
The IFS says the government is currently raising more in tax revenue, as a percentage of national income, than at any time since the 1940s.
In recent years, the government has announced a series of tax-raising measures, including an increase in corporation tax from 19% to 25%, and the levy on profits made by energy companies.
The IFS said the data on tax revenues only go back to 1948.
Only during and in the immediate aftermath of the two world wars have government revenues - not just those from taxes - grown by as much in this Parliament in the 123 years since 1900, the IFS says.
Its director, Paul Johnson, told BBC Radio 4's Today's programme: "Over this parliament, it looks like taxes will rise by about 4% of national income, that's round about £100bn."
He added the UK tax take is still about the average for rich countries and below the rest of Europe.
"If you look into the future, we are going to be spending more on pensions and health and so on as the population ages," Mr Johnson continued. "In my view, this is almost certainly a permanent increase in taxes."
The IFS director suggested that Britain is still "a relatively rich country", but claimed "we try and tell ourselves that we can have something like European-style welfare states with something like American-style tax system and of course we can't."
Ben Zaranko, a senior research economist at the IFS, said the tax rate was not primarily "a direct consequence of the pandemic", when government spending surged to keep the economy afloat.
"Rather, it reflects decisions to increase government spending, in part driven by demographic change, pressures on the health service, and some unwinding of austerity," Mr Zaranko said.
Chart showing what has happened to GDP growth since 2019 - growth has been stagnant in the past year (up to July 23)

Liz Truss and former cabinet ministers in her short-lived, economically turbulent government, launched the Conservative Growth Group in January to push on with her calls to slash taxes and promote radical free-market economic policies.
Responding to the report, Ms Truss said: "This unprecedentedly high tax burden is one of the reasons that the British economy is stagnating."
Another Conservative, John Redwood said there were "affordable tax cuts to be had", including raising the VAT threshold for businesses and slashing duties on fuel.
In an interview with the BBC on Thursday, Mr Sunak said he thought halving inflation by the end of this year was the "most important" of the five pledges he made in January.
Inflation was at 10.7% in the three-month period between October and December 2022, which means the government aims to reduce inflation to 5.3%.
"Inflation is falling, there's light at the end of the tunnel, but we need to stick to the plan," Mr Sunak said.
Labour said the Tories had presided over "13 years of low growth and stagnant wages".
"Brits are working hard but getting clobbered with 25 Tory tax rises and a continuing Conservative premium on their household budgets," said Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury.
The Liberal Democrats said the Conservatives had "crashed the economy" under Ms Truss and are "making the public pay the price".
"This is the same party which promised not to raise people's taxes and is now taxing families through the nose," said the party's treasury spokeswoman, Sarah Olney.
 
Load of shysters, the lot of 'em.

UK on track for record tax levels, IFS think tank says​

The government is on course to oversee the biggest tax-raising Parliament since records began, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies' analysis.
The IFS forecasts taxes will amount to about 37% of national income by the next general election, due in 2024.
That would be a level not seen since 1948, just after World War Two.
Responding to the report, a Treasury spokesperson said the "most effective tax cut we can deliver" is to "drive down inflation".
Treasury minister Andrew Griffith added that inflation was a priority but refused to rule out further tax rises, when asked by Times Radio on Friday morning.
"We believe that you need a strong economy, you need to build that on stable foundations which is why bearing down on inflation is so important, that's been the priority the prime minister has set," he said.
Meanwhile, new figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that the economy grew by more than originally thought between January and March.
Gross domestic product rose by 0.3% instead of 0.1%. For April to June, however, the ONS left a reading of 0.2% unchanged - putting the economy at 1.8% above pre-pandemic levels.
Grant Fitzner, chief economist at the ONS, said the GDP growth rate is "almost unrevised over the last 18 months".
Chancellor of the Exchequer Jeremy Hunt added "the British economy recovered faster from the pandemic than anyone previously thought" and the new figures prove "the doubters wrong".

Rising taxes​

Next year, the government will collect upwards of £100bn more in tax compared to pre-2019 levels, the IFS says.
Some Tory MPs are putting pressure on Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to reduce taxes in the government's autumn statement next month.
Mr Hunt however said last week that tax cuts were "virtually impossible" at present.
The analysis by the IFS is published on the eve of the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester, which begins on Sunday.
The IFS says the government is currently raising more in tax revenue, as a percentage of national income, than at any time since the 1940s.
In recent years, the government has announced a series of tax-raising measures, including an increase in corporation tax from 19% to 25%, and the levy on profits made by energy companies.
The IFS said the data on tax revenues only go back to 1948.
Only during and in the immediate aftermath of the two world wars have government revenues - not just those from taxes - grown by as much in this Parliament in the 123 years since 1900, the IFS says.
Its director, Paul Johnson, told BBC Radio 4's Today's programme: "Over this parliament, it looks like taxes will rise by about 4% of national income, that's round about £100bn."
He added the UK tax take is still about the average for rich countries and below the rest of Europe.
"If you look into the future, we are going to be spending more on pensions and health and so on as the population ages," Mr Johnson continued. "In my view, this is almost certainly a permanent increase in taxes."
The IFS director suggested that Britain is still "a relatively rich country", but claimed "we try and tell ourselves that we can have something like European-style welfare states with something like American-style tax system and of course we can't."
Ben Zaranko, a senior research economist at the IFS, said the tax rate was not primarily "a direct consequence of the pandemic", when government spending surged to keep the economy afloat.
"Rather, it reflects decisions to increase government spending, in part driven by demographic change, pressures on the health service, and some unwinding of austerity," Mr Zaranko said.
Chart showing what has happened to GDP growth since 2019 - growth has been stagnant in the past year (up to July 23)

Liz Truss and former cabinet ministers in her short-lived, economically turbulent government, launched the Conservative Growth Group in January to push on with her calls to slash taxes and promote radical free-market economic policies.
Responding to the report, Ms Truss said: "This unprecedentedly high tax burden is one of the reasons that the British economy is stagnating."
Another Conservative, John Redwood said there were "affordable tax cuts to be had", including raising the VAT threshold for businesses and slashing duties on fuel.
In an interview with the BBC on Thursday, Mr Sunak said he thought halving inflation by the end of this year was the "most important" of the five pledges he made in January.
Inflation was at 10.7% in the three-month period between October and December 2022, which means the government aims to reduce inflation to 5.3%.
"Inflation is falling, there's light at the end of the tunnel, but we need to stick to the plan," Mr Sunak said.
Labour said the Tories had presided over "13 years of low growth and stagnant wages".
"Brits are working hard but getting clobbered with 25 Tory tax rises and a continuing Conservative premium on their household budgets," said Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury.
The Liberal Democrats said the Conservatives had "crashed the economy" under Ms Truss and are "making the public pay the price".
"This is the same party which promised not to raise people's taxes and is now taxing families through the nose," said the party's treasury spokeswoman, Sarah Olney.
Wouldn't mind, but bugger all works.
 
Load of shysters, the lot of 'em.

UK on track for record tax levels, IFS think tank says​

The government is on course to oversee the biggest tax-raising Parliament since records began, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies' analysis.
The IFS forecasts taxes will amount to about 37% of national income by the next general election, due in 2024.
That would be a level not seen since 1948, just after World War Two.
Responding to the report, a Treasury spokesperson said the "most effective tax cut we can deliver" is to "drive down inflation".
Treasury minister Andrew Griffith added that inflation was a priority but refused to rule out further tax rises, when asked by Times Radio on Friday morning.
"We believe that you need a strong economy, you need to build that on stable foundations which is why bearing down on inflation is so important, that's been the priority the prime minister has set," he said.
Meanwhile, new figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) show that the economy grew by more than originally thought between January and March.
Gross domestic product rose by 0.3% instead of 0.1%. For April to June, however, the ONS left a reading of 0.2% unchanged - putting the economy at 1.8% above pre-pandemic levels.
Grant Fitzner, chief economist at the ONS, said the GDP growth rate is "almost unrevised over the last 18 months".
Chancellor of the Exchequer Jeremy Hunt added "the British economy recovered faster from the pandemic than anyone previously thought" and the new figures prove "the doubters wrong".

Rising taxes​

Next year, the government will collect upwards of £100bn more in tax compared to pre-2019 levels, the IFS says.
Some Tory MPs are putting pressure on Chancellor Jeremy Hunt to reduce taxes in the government's autumn statement next month.
Mr Hunt however said last week that tax cuts were "virtually impossible" at present.
The analysis by the IFS is published on the eve of the Conservative Party Conference in Manchester, which begins on Sunday.
The IFS says the government is currently raising more in tax revenue, as a percentage of national income, than at any time since the 1940s.
In recent years, the government has announced a series of tax-raising measures, including an increase in corporation tax from 19% to 25%, and the levy on profits made by energy companies.
The IFS said the data on tax revenues only go back to 1948.
Only during and in the immediate aftermath of the two world wars have government revenues - not just those from taxes - grown by as much in this Parliament in the 123 years since 1900, the IFS says.
Its director, Paul Johnson, told BBC Radio 4's Today's programme: "Over this parliament, it looks like taxes will rise by about 4% of national income, that's round about £100bn."
He added the UK tax take is still about the average for rich countries and below the rest of Europe.
"If you look into the future, we are going to be spending more on pensions and health and so on as the population ages," Mr Johnson continued. "In my view, this is almost certainly a permanent increase in taxes."
The IFS director suggested that Britain is still "a relatively rich country", but claimed "we try and tell ourselves that we can have something like European-style welfare states with something like American-style tax system and of course we can't."
Ben Zaranko, a senior research economist at the IFS, said the tax rate was not primarily "a direct consequence of the pandemic", when government spending surged to keep the economy afloat.
"Rather, it reflects decisions to increase government spending, in part driven by demographic change, pressures on the health service, and some unwinding of austerity," Mr Zaranko said.
Chart showing what has happened to GDP growth since 2019 - growth has been stagnant in the past year (up to July 23)

Liz Truss and former cabinet ministers in her short-lived, economically turbulent government, launched the Conservative Growth Group in January to push on with her calls to slash taxes and promote radical free-market economic policies.
Responding to the report, Ms Truss said: "This unprecedentedly high tax burden is one of the reasons that the British economy is stagnating."
Another Conservative, John Redwood said there were "affordable tax cuts to be had", including raising the VAT threshold for businesses and slashing duties on fuel.
In an interview with the BBC on Thursday, Mr Sunak said he thought halving inflation by the end of this year was the "most important" of the five pledges he made in January.
Inflation was at 10.7% in the three-month period between October and December 2022, which means the government aims to reduce inflation to 5.3%.
"Inflation is falling, there's light at the end of the tunnel, but we need to stick to the plan," Mr Sunak said.
Labour said the Tories had presided over "13 years of low growth and stagnant wages".
"Brits are working hard but getting clobbered with 25 Tory tax rises and a continuing Conservative premium on their household budgets," said Darren Jones, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury.
The Liberal Democrats said the Conservatives had "crashed the economy" under Ms Truss and are "making the public pay the price".
"This is the same party which promised not to raise people's taxes and is now taxing families through the nose," said the party's treasury spokeswoman, Sarah Olney.
This is what happens when you make it so expensive to live that people stop having kids.

As a tradesman I can confidently say that I will be trying to pay as little tax as possible.

Survival of the fittest, and all that.
 
I see it's the usual Tory trick of appealing to the populist serf mentality of blaming everyone but the rich for all of the ills in society and proposing a new set of rules to brutalise the poor and disabled and immigrants for the lack of 'obvious' tax cuts, meanwhile, they still look after their friends in round about ways.
A 'crackdown' on those who wont look for work whilst on benefits.... aye yeah, given the fact that they've waged an absolute war on the most vulnerable, those 'not looking for work' will be the chronically disabled and dying, but it always makes a great soundbite for the bloodthirsty butchers who'd like anyone who aren't them to hung, drawn and quartered.
How's about getting the 7m quid back off Rees Mogg that you gave him for doing up his wife's ancestral home a few years back?
As always, public money is only sacred when it's spent on the public and the stupid serfs worship the concept of big business and monarchy like the world would end if they weren't fed sumptuously and often.
If there's one thing that COVID and lockdown SHOULD have taught all of us is that Labour is far more important than Capital.
But no, all the freedom warriors and armchair expert Virologists did the Devil's bidding, mostly because the pubs were shut and they couldn't even stay at home and educate themselves and behave on 70% of their pay just to save the lives of others.
This country gets the Government it deserves and anybody who votes Tory anytime from 10 years ago until tomorrow and onwards deserves all the misery they get.
 
I see it's the usual Tory trick of appealing to the populist serf mentality of blaming everyone but the rich for all of the ills in society and proposing a new set of rules to brutalise the poor and disabled and immigrants for the lack of 'obvious' tax cuts, meanwhile, they still look after their friends in round about ways.
A 'crackdown' on those who wont look for work whilst on benefits.... aye yeah, given the fact that they've waged an absolute war on the most vulnerable, those 'not looking for work' will be the chronically disabled and dying, but it always makes a great soundbite for the bloodthirsty butchers who'd like anyone who aren't them to hung, drawn and quartered.
How's about getting the 7m quid back off Rees Mogg that you gave him for doing up his wife's ancestral home a few years back?
As always, public money is only sacred when it's spent on the public and the stupid serfs worship the concept of big business and monarchy like the world would end if they weren't fed sumptuously and often.
If there's one thing that COVID and lockdown SHOULD have taught all of us is that Labour is far more important than Capital.
But no, all the freedom warriors and armchair expert Virologists did the Devil's bidding, mostly because the pubs were shut and they couldn't even stay at home and educate themselves and behave on 70% of their pay just to save the lives of others.
This country gets the Government it deserves and anybody who votes Tory anytime from 10 years ago until tomorrow and onwards deserves all the misery they get.
Aye. Yet they've jazzed billions on a badly planned and scoped vanity project which seems to have only lined their rich mates pockets and still leaves us with a sub-par public transport system. But its the poor ruining it for everyone else.
 
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