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[Hickson9]

I took myself out for a nice solo lunch today in Westminster.

As I was drinking my coffee and waiting for my main, Kwasi Kwarteng walked in and sat at the table next to me (we had a strange moment where he initially walked right up to my table first and we shared a nod of acknowledgement) to have lunch with someone who looked a lot like Tom Tugendhat.

Picture the scene, two fully suited and booted MPs, one an ex chancellor from the most turmoil ridden period in recent British politics, meet in a fancy restaurant in Westminster for a private debrief and sit next to a civil servant in an Everton Christmas jumper doing his best to look like he isn't straining every sinew in his body to overhear their conversation.

It was only as I was nearing the end of my main that the conversation became juicy and I decided at that moment to settle in for a longer haul and ordered myself some cheesecake for dessert.

His sacking by Truss sounded particularly brutal, though he did say he understood why she did it.

He suddenly had to go into her office and she just turned around and said it was over for him and that he was done and would have to resign. He tried to push back saying if the Conservative Party doesn't stand behind tax cuts then what are they even for, but he got nowhere.

He started listing MPs who I think had stuck in the knife, and I heard Michelle Donelan, Gavin Williamson and Nadhim Zahawi (all still in Government with Sunak...) and then talking about how Truss has been covering her back since.

Safe to say, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the political goss (and I have to confess, I didn't say anything about him having cost us all a shed load on our mortgages).

 

[Rita_Poon]

Mandarin, Lemon or abominations like Strawberry or Mango?

 

[Rita_Poon]

I took myself out for a nice solo lunch today in Westminster.

As I was drinking my coffee and waiting for my main, Kwasi Kwarteng walked in and sat at the table next to me (we had a strange moment where he initially walked right up to my table first and we shared a nod of acknowledgement) to have lunch with someone who looked a lot like Tom Tugendhat.

Picture the scene, two fully suited and booted MPs, one an ex chancellor from the most turmoil ridden period in recent British politics, meet in a fancy restaurant in Westminster for a private debrief and sit next to a civil servant in an Everton Christmas jumper doing his best to look like he isn't straining every sinew in his body to overhear their conversation.

It was only as I was nearing the end of my main that the conversation became juicy and I decided at that moment to settle in for a longer haul and ordered myself some cheesecake for dessert.

His sacking by Truss sounded particularly brutal, though he did say he understood why she did it.

He suddenly had to go into her office and she just turned around and said it was over for him and that he was done and would have to resign. He tried to push back saying if the Conservative Party doesn't stand behind tax cuts then what are they even for, but he got nowhere.

He started listing MPs who I think had stuck in the knife, and I heard Michelle Donelan, Gavin Williamson and Nadhim Zahawi (all still in Government with Sunak...) and then talking about how Truss has been covering her back since.

Safe to say, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the political goss (and I have to confess, I didn't say anything about him having cost us all a shed load on our mortgages).

Reading the end, it's a shame hahahaa 'joking' you weren't wearing an IED. hahahaha. Billions.

 

[Nightman]

Blair, Brown and the last Labour Government, Theresa May, Remoaners, Sunak and the backstabbers……

Absolutely incredible.

You need locking up. You're a danger to everyone.

 

[gonetomorrow]

Blair, Brown and the last Labour Government, Theresa May, Remoaners, Sunak and the backstabbers……

Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Eggwina Currie, Lord Archer, Willie Whitelaw........your boys took a HELL of a beating...

 

[spectateur]

Fwiw I wasn't necessarily saying they're solely responsible. I actually think a lot of New Labour's policies either merely slowed the rot or actually helped create the conditions where a round of austerity left public services weakened (private finance initiative for one).

We can go back as far as the 70s to map Britain's slide, the last 12 years or so have just been the acceleration, again.

Exactly.
The acceptance of the economic philosophy of Hayak and Friedman by the US administration and its taking up by the British Conservative party.
Implimented by the Thatcher government.
40 plus years of plundering the people in order to enhance the wealth of the already rich.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Exactly.
The acceptance of the economic philosophy of Hayak and Friedman by the US administration and its taking up by the British Conservative party.
Implimented by the Thatcher government.
40 plus years of plundering the people in order to enhance the wealth of the already rich.

I suppose the problem was, the UK was in a complete hole in the 70s and the options were "more of the same" from Labour or "something very different" from the Tories. It was self-evident that something needed to change, but rather than going for a less brutal form than Thatcherism took, Labour pretended nothing needed to change at all.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I suppose the problem was, the UK was in a complete hole in the 70s and the options were "more of the same" from Labour or "something very different" from the Tories. It was self-evident that something needed to change, but rather than going for a less brutal form than Thatcherism took, Labour pretended nothing needed to change at all.

The 'third way' experiment certainly yielded mixed results.

 

[COYBL25]

Blair, Brown and the last Labour Government, Theresa May, Remoaners, Sunak and the backstabbers……

You`ve lifted that, from Billy Joel`s, " We didn`t start the fire "

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The 'third way' experiment certainly yielded mixed results.

That's probably the reality of any government though, isn't it? You just hope that they do more right than wrong for the most people.

 

[spectateur]

I suppose the problem was, the UK was in a complete hole in the 70s and the options were "more of the same" from Labour or "something very different" from the Tories. It was self-evident that something needed to change, but rather than going for a less brutal form than Thatcherism took, Labour pretended nothing needed to change at all.

Much less of a hole than it is now.

In the 1970s, yes , there were problems, starting with the Heath conservative government's administration, possibly enhanced by the abandoning of the gold standard and the introduction of the petro dollar.Inflation, raw materials shortages etc. After Heath, two years of Wilson II then gentleman Jim C who hadn't a clue.

In the 1970s I was working; "a scientist in industry". I had a teenage family, my wife worked part time and we managed very well.
I'd dread to have been in that situation at any time in the last 15 years. Doubt we could have managed at all.

 

[mahermi1]

Absolutely incredible.















You need locking up. You're a danger to everyon



You wouldn't mind but his party, who he follows blindly have practically, financially damaged our Country to such an extent it may never recover from. That debt the Tories have left us in is an absolute disaster and every single tory should be ashamed of themselves for inflicting this madness and greed upon us, by voting them in for over 12 years of austerity and grief.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

That's probably the reality of any government though, isn't it? You just hope that they do more right than wrong for the most people.

Very true. At heart there was an attempt to make things better for more people.

The last 12 years has seen a lot of wilful harm or harm though negligence inflicted on a lot of people.

 

[edge]

Though the PM was awful in PMQ.
He will be lucky to last long at this rate.

 

[Nightman]

Yep.

To me, it's not even a left vs right thing anymore. It's far more serious than that. It's right vs wrong - moral vs immoral. There are far too many immoral people in this country.