Current Affairs the Centre is...

the Centre is...

  • the only sensible fair option in a polarised situation

  • the cowardly fence-sitter enabling the wronguns

  • a bit of both...


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It’s interesting how you consider yourself “centrist” (I’m sure many would disagree, but I’ll leave that for another time), yet seem to spend 99% of your time criticising the left (or those you perceive to be on the left), and really very little on criticising the right.

And yeah, I don’t doubt that there’s the occasional person espousing “down with all immigration controls!” - but no one serious and certainly no one in a position of political power. I dare say if I trawled the internet (read: spend 10 seconds googling) I could find one or two or two hundred thpusand rather reprehensible right wing opinion pieces out there.

99% ??

The Guardian is a serious & influential paper.

And i consider myself classic Left-liberal who's been moved to the centre by the extreme Left, this extreme Left is now pushing that centre rightwards, so now some would consider me rightwing. Hence this thread to see what yous think. Turns out many of you don't have much of an issue with this moving of the goalposts, even if it means yous will have to continue to live under actual right-of-centre governments.

Weird, but ok.
 
99% ??

The Guardian is a serious & influential paper.

And i consider myself classic Left-liberal who's been moved to the centre by the extreme Left, this extreme Left is now pushing that centre rightwards, so now some would consider me rightwing. Hence this thread to see what yous think. Turns out many of you don't have much of an issue with this moving of the goalposts, even if it means yous will have to continue to live under actual right-of-centre governments.

Weird, but ok.
Opinion pieces are exactly that - they're the opinion of that one writer, not in any way (necessarily) representative of a publication's overall view. That's why they're marked as opinion, not editorial or news reporting.
 
Opinion pieces are exactly that - they're the opinion of that one writer, not in any way (necessarily) representative of a publication's overall view. That's why they're marked as opinion, not editorial or news reporting.

as i said before, it's a defacto editorial.
 
it's... not, but ok.

look at all these 'opinions'...

Why Democrats should support open borders

Bernie Sanders is wrong on open borders: they'd help boost the economy

Refugees: a call for open borders and free movement for all

The Sanders one is interesting, isn't it? He's not Left enough as he's not advocating open borders...

...even Quora, arguably the most serious and academic discussion site on the web, is asking:

Why is mainstream media pushing for open borders?
 
look at all these 'opinions'...

Why Democrats should support open borders

Bernie Sanders is wrong on open borders: they'd help boost the economy

Refugees: a call for open borders and free movement for all

The Sanders one is interesting, isn't it? He's not Left enough as he's not advocating open borders...

...even Quora, arguably the most serious and academic discussion site on the web, is asking:

Why is mainstream media pushing for open borders?
Errr... 1, "most serious and academic discussion site" is massively open to debate. And 2. "Quora" isn't asking anything - someone with a quora account is asking.
 
Errr... 1, "most serious and academic discussion site" is massively open to debate. And 2. "Quora" isn't asking anything - someone with a quora account is asking.

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Christ, Obama got called a socialist and a communist by the Right, and he wasn’t even moderately far left. He was about a quarter of an inch left of centre, if that.

In a TV interview, Obama conceded that his policies were moderate republican.

So, not exactly centre. And not really left.
 
In a TV interview, Obama conceded that his policies were moderate republican.

So, not exactly centre. And not really left.
Well, sort of...

He said that his policies were so mainstream that IF he'd proposed them in the 80's he'd have been considered a moderate republican.

But to be fair in the 80's there was a lot of overlap between moderate republicans and moderate democrats... THAT is what the centre is supposed to be. Obama's economic policies certainly were centrist, his social policies pulled him a little way to the left of centre.
 
there is a rather prevalent brand of self-described "Centrist" who absolutely loves the "oh, both sides are as bad as each other" refrain - a refrain which simply isn't backed up by any form of reality in our CURRENT political climate. Not to say it has always, or will always be the case, but right at this moment, one side is causing far more problems than the other, and it isn't even a particularly close run thing.

I disagree it's significant that Farage is a visible far-right figure (is he even far-right?). I'd say it's more significant how much far-leftism like identity-politics/outrage-culture is pushed in the media (including from the chattering classes on social media).

Reading through this again it's clear some events have no centre. The Christchurch massacre is one where there's only one correct response: condemn the ideology behind the attack, blame the murderer, blame his ideology and its adherents, mourn the victims and show solidarity with the victimised community. People are people and all are of equal worth regardless of where they live, what they look like or what they believe. It's your words & actions which define.

I saw an article where Milo Y has been banned for speaking because of his remarks on Christchurch, when i tracked them down I saw him blaming the Hard Left for pushing people to Hard Right actions. For the record this is an intolerably-hateful opinion and not one I subscribe to. Once you begin to murder innocent people whatever cause or reason you think you had is gone.

I'd also like, for the record and in light of Christchurch, to change my opinion: now I see that Far Right extremism is a bigger problem than Far Left extremism. I'd also now go so far as to consider Far Right terrorism as at least as high a threat in the West as Islamic terrorism is.

My wider views on Islam in Europe, anti-Trump mania and leftist identity politics remain unchanged, the discussion of these subjects should still be fair game as long as handled with balance & respect.
 
interesting...one of the best pieces of advice i ever got was my old boss telling me that there are many stupid people out there, just plain old stupid...simply accepting this has helped me deal better with all manner of everyday situations.
Yep, when you think about average intelligence, by definition half of the population is below that line.




* Based on probability rather than the actual definition of the word
 
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